2013 Dakar Pre-Event Discussion

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  1. wilkinsonk

    wilkinsonk soup de grimace

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    There is a large portion of the population in America that is very nationalistic/jingoistic and either doesn't realize it or doesn't think there is anything wrong with that mind set. Witness our electoral politics which feeds this sort of thinking. Outside of politics the whole "buy American" thought that because it's made in the good ole US of A it must be better quality than (insert country here).

    Robby Gordon's "US vs. Them" logo feeds the demographic that resembles the above statement. The NASCAR/stock car racing fan base is full of people that think America and American-made is the absolute best. From a sponsorship/public support perspective this is likely a good move for him. Yes, not every RG, NASCAR or stock car racing fan in the U.S. fits that description but I think if one were to put a moments thought to the task they would find there is a lot of truth in it.

    Dakar is NOT the Olympics. I'm not routing for Team USA. I don't particulalry care what country your from. If the bike/car/truck pilot races with skill and panache, and isn't a total douche-bag, I'm probably routing for them. That's why it's sometimes hard to get over "Mud-gate" and "Tire-gate" when I think over the careers of Despres and Coma since I otherwise have a lot of respect for these riders.

    I also don't understand the sheer number of people who dream of racing the Dakar and don't put in the yeoman's work to get there and be successful (i.e. the Charlie Boarman approach). That's like signing on to a K2 expedition after you've taken a 5-day course and climbed a few local hills. But that's another topic altogether.

    Here's looking to a great 2013 Dakar that doesn't get mired down in animosity, country-bashing or name calling.

    - Ken
  2. HogWild

    HogWild Scott Whitney

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    First you bash, then you hope that eveyone else does not bash. :huh
  3. wilkinsonk

    wilkinsonk soup de grimace

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    I honestly didn't think I was bashing, just pointing out the potential roots of the sentiments in a rational way. How does that equate to bashing? I'd apologize for percieved offenses but I'm at a loss for how I offended.

    - Ken
  4. Southest US Thumper

    Southest US Thumper Extreme n00b

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    Great discussion (as RG would have it promoted) may the best Team Win! Again.....


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  5. catweasel67

    catweasel67 Honda XRV 750 RD04

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  6. tHEtREV

    tHEtREV Captain Awesome

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    I didn't think you were bashing anyone or anything, but considering I have been called a senile naive racist by someone after a tongue in cheek reply, I expect posts to be taken the wrong way for a while.:lol3
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    tHEtREV Captain Awesome

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    Thats not a KTM?:huh
  8. Southest US Thumper

    Southest US Thumper Extreme n00b

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    Of course! This is from before Holland adopted Orange for their Nat'l Colours.... :rofl
  9. HogWild

    HogWild Scott Whitney

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    The way I read that, you're saying a large portion of the population is either wrong or ignorant. That's bashing.
  10. BygDaddee

    BygDaddee Where do I get a pie

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    Excuse my ignorance, but what bike are those Honda's.
  11. tHEtREV

    tHEtREV Captain Awesome

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    New CRF Rallye in the back ground, Africa twin with a rallye kit (or a NXR750) in the foreground.

    I'm not to good on the AT/ early factory bike IDs.:deal

    ATgreg would know...

    If you are interested in the older Dakar bikes have a look in Greg's Dakar bikes thread...http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90043
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    atgreg Africatwinarama Super Moderator

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    Africa Twin 750 Marathon from about 1990/91 , modded proddie bike

    This is an NXR750 prototype bike from 87-88

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  13. tHEtREV

    tHEtREV Captain Awesome

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    Thanks for that Greg.
  14. barrier

    barrier Says who?

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    Do we not think the 'THEM' here, being a French flag is possibly 'ASO'!
    That's how I read it! :huh
  15. tHEtREV

    tHEtREV Captain Awesome

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    ASO, and/or Peterhansel(sp) maybe?

    That's how I read it anyway.
  16. too old

    too old Keen supporter

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    100% - and maybe not the most intelligent way of making friends and influencing people, especially the organizers - but I suspect he doesn't really give a s**t :lol3:lol3:lol3
  17. Flood

    Flood F5lood.

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    ..aaand that's enough. If you want to go name calling and continue the political discussion, CSM is all the way down the hall.

    I've punted the most recent stuff to Head Explody.

    Let's just say Mr. Gordon seems to be a bit of a controversial figure.
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    Motorfiets Long timer

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    Thank you! My F5 button kept reloading BS....
  19. watrboy

    watrboy Been here awhile

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    I believe that is how RG would like it to end up.
  20. Bluebull2007

    Bluebull2007 Adventurer

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    No doubt about it, I personally thought RG was treated unfairly by the ASO this year, with the whole tyre boost thing.

    Those of you on the F5ire hose this year will remember someone's (sorry cant remember who it was) detailed explanation how it all worked and how it could not not possibly affect the engine performance. So I was very surprised to learn that the FIA ruled that he has cheated in June or July this year.

    Does anyone have more info on this? Did RG really cheat? I would hope not and think maybe it was a political thing rather than anything else?

    Anyway against this backdrop RG's logo US vs Them makes a lot of sense. The rmost of us had read it wrong I think, it was not supposed to be the US vs. the rest. Thats why I keep coming back, crazy rulings like this and the stories like people being DQ'd for being 35 minutes late at the start of an SS make the favourite not necessarily the favourite. It reminds me of my school days when people werent necessairly fairly beaten by the teachers, but we took our stripes with pride having survived it and became heroes despite and as a result of it. [​IMG]
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