2013 Dakar Pre-Event Discussion

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  1. Southest US Thumper

    Southest US Thumper Extreme n00b

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    Ding, Ding, Ding!!!! We have a winner, it's a '91 veteran spotted at Intermot, I forget who the pilot was.

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  2. barrier

    barrier Says who?

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    Didn't we just decide the spare tyres must have been filled with nitrous oxide!:lol3
  3. Ferrys

    Ferrys Adventurer

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  4. beechum1

    beechum1 Grimace Soup

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    asi parece...
  5. Flood

    Flood F5lood.

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    Doesn't say GasGas, does it? I'm reading that Chaleco will be supported by Team KH-7 together with Laia Sanz, Nani Roma and Juvanteny (trucks).

    Laia is on a GasGas, Chaleco is on a KTM, no?
  6. tHEtREV

    tHEtREV Captain Awesome

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    My understanding of it was that because he had the tire deflater thingy plumbed in after the restrictor, it had the potential to get extra air into the intake system and negating some of the restricting effects of the restrictor plate.

    Someone on here pointed out that if he did indeed use it like that, then it would be ducting unfiltered air into the system, and as everyone knows, would soon result in a substantial loss in power.

    Someone else also pointed out that RG comes from a Nascar background where allegedly getting around rules like restrictors etc and finding new ways to interpret the rules is just part of the racing (at least I think thats what they said, I don't know much about car racing).

    From memory, after it was discovered (allegedly his car was inspected because it was going to fast, or faster than they expected it to go), he blocked of the system and it had no effect on top speed (I think he won the next stage, once again I could be wrong).

    So it was a modification that had been passed, but had the potential to bypass a restriction, but may not have been all that beneficial (because of lack of filtration), and had no effect on performance when rendered inoperable (if it was used for performance gain)...

    At the end of the race his result had no effect on the leader board, so no competitors had anything to gain out of his DQ (except be bumped up one place well after the fact).

    Thats the way I remember it anyway.:D

    I'm no RG fan, but I don't personally believe he was cheating at all, and I was genuinely surprised when he was DQed and do believe it was a bit wrong.

    He is fast and I like the sound of his car, it's when he is out of his car and in front of a camera that I am not a fan.
  7. DasMatti

    DasMatti Been here awhile

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    It doesn't matter wether he gaind few bhp or not. This setup was against the rules, so they DQed him.

    ride on
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  8. JMo (& piglet)

    JMo (& piglet) Gone a bit Baja

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    That's a good explanation tHEtREV - but I think the bottom line [as far as ASO were concerned] is that the rules clearly state that nothing should bypass the intake restrictor, regardless if it actually had any benefit or not?

    As for Robbie Gordon saying "it was passed" at scrutineering, personally I think it was more likely to have been missed or 'passed over' at scrutineering, that's all...

    Anyway, all that was last year - let's see what he comes up with in a couple of weeks time - woop!

    Jx
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    frank wheelbarrow ten four

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    He did pass tech inspection. (The first one at least)


  10. Ferrys

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    This happened yesterday.........but it does not say that.
    Chaleco joined the team, not being supported, joined.
    Mention that Laila is there with the new GasGas and nothing about Chaleco. It seems strange 2 manufacturers for 2 riders. We will have to wait.
  11. doyle

    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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    KH-7 is a manufacturer of cleaning products sponsoring Team Epsilon which is less of a team per-se and more of a bigger support organization. The way I understand it is Laia Sanz and Marc Guasch are riding for the Gas Gas factory team with Miguel Puertas as a paying rider. The teams mechanics and logistics are being handled by Team Epsilon with KH-7 being a sponsor of Epsilon but also a personal sponsor of Laia Sanz. They will be riding the EC Raid 450.

    Chaleco has bought himself a factory KTM package. He pulled his mechanic from Bordone-Ferrari and the two of them are being supported and logistics handled by Tamarugal XC out of Chile. Obviously Nani Roma's team and mechanics are all from X-raid BMW, so the KH-7 thing is more personal sponsorship for both Chaleco and Roma.

    Clear as mudgate, huh?
  12. Ferrys

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    Things happen very quickly lately.
    As per Octuber, Puertas was the water carrier of Laila and Guasch was free and the top rider of the team.
    Now with Chaleco, with a KTM and on his own???. He is a top rider.
  13. doyle

    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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    Not sure that I'm reading that correctly, but As far as I know, Puertas is most definitely riding a Gas Gas even though the competitors list shows a Yamaha. I believe he is a paying, support rider.
  14. barrier

    barrier Says who?

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    Don't GasGas'sss have Yamaha engines?:ear
    That clears that one up!
    :lol3
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    wilkinsonk soup de grimace

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    Last year yes, but this year the Gas Gas crew will be riding home-grown rally bikes. No more rebadged WR450s.
  16. barrier

    barrier Says who?

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    Still pretty sure it is a Yamaha engine!:nod
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    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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    Yes, Yamaha engine.
  18. Strong Bad

    Strong Bad n00balicious

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    Robby's background is off-road racing. He raced open wheel Indy cars when he first started racing pavement. He happened to race NASCAR as a source of income to pay for his off-road racing. This year he is all but out of NASCAR.

    My sources from inside the VW bivaouc said that VW & BMW had both known that Robby's car was not legal and were simply waiting for him to actually be a threat before blowing the whistle on him.
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    wilkinsonk soup de grimace

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    And here I was under the impression that it was all Gas Gas this year. I'll be damned if that isn't the clutch side of a Yamaha engine.

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    amazing ricardo Piste Off

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    my sources say, even the ASO knew about RG's 'system' (yes it was tech inspected, and identified). nobody took it seriously until, like strong bad pointed out, that RG became a viable 'treat'.. then the whistles blew..

    did it actually boost performance? :evil:evil:evil i can only say, if it didn't, why do it that way... :huh:huh:huh
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