2013 Dakar Pre-Event Discussion

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  1. rmhrc628

    rmhrc628 Long timer

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    So he's a turncoat? :)

    I realise he's an awesome rider, but something is just not right about him.
  2. dirtybikefrank

    dirtybikefrank Beast wrestler

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    He's french....
  3. Jadon

    Jadon Been here awhile

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    Look at the musical chairs each season in MotoGP.
    What is there left to prove at KTM?
    It would be a rewarding challenge to get HRC onto the top step at Dakar.
    Think not only of what KTM has done for him, but what he and Coma have done for KTM.

    Lol! Speculation is a wonderful thing. There must be
    many facets to this news......
  4. steelhorseadv

    steelhorseadv Zombie Killer

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    Thanks! Sorry to interrupt.
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  5. Dread Pendragon

    Dread Pendragon Don't look back

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    Wow.

    Of course If Helder were to win it would be exceptionally sweet for him and Honda. But now, were he to win (or at least place ahead of Cyril), it will be that much sweeter for him! Maybe KTM will pick him up and he can ride a orange bike with #1 on it in the 2014 Dakar.
  6. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    Okay, maybe re-bike-ing would be a better way to put it? :evil

    Wow...! :huh So money talks... and the hard work (all the testing preparation/lead up and co-operation with R&D at HRC) walks eh...?

    If it's true, then so much for the value placed on long term relationships and allegency... with regards the actions of both Depres towards KTM and HRC towards Helder... :brow

    Yep going from the reigning (dominant) champions, to a new (as yet unproven) platform... all for the dollar signs? :wink: Well, it's NOT unprecedented is it...?:rofl
  7. doyle

    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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    It's a surprise to me too as I figured Cyril would follow most of the other riders over to 4 wheels but I see Cyril as someone who relishes a challenge. He's marketable, dynamic, personable, and not afraid to show different aspects of his regimen, etc... all stuff that works well for a top line rider. Plus, in looking at his reliability, he's top notch. 4 wins, 4 seconds, and only 1 withdrawal in 11 tries, compared to his immediate peers, he is the true alien. He doesn't make questionable mistakes like even Coma does on occasion.

    He got a bad wrap last year but the reality is that we don't know what transpired between he and Goncalves. We also didn't view it from the perspective of being in race mode, red mist, and all that, so in taking things as I saw them, I find it hard to fault him. Personally, I can think of only 3 or 4 riders that really hit HRC's hot buttons for ability, reliability, name recognition, and regional appeal throughout the South American market and I would put Cyril at the top of that list.
  8. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    ^^^ This :nod

    Although, it is interesting that Helder was permitted to take RedBull with him onto the HRC ride (for Marocco at least...maybe see what decals are on the bike in Lima?). Maybe - if it is true - Despres will take his RedBull livery with him too?

    It was interesting that all of the other four bikes at Marocco had no other (pre-existing) rider/sponsors on them... only the corporate HRC livery.
  9. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    Announcing that you are leaving one team (at the end of the season) for another... BEFORE the season starts (much less before ther BIGGEST race of the calender) would not seem to do much for team moral in the bivouac, nes pas?

    Like they say about Dolmio Bolognaise Doyle... your sauces are always impeccable! :1drink

    :nod My thoughrs eggsactly Brodo... :wink: Not to mention the "team spirit" in the KTM camp (again... if this revelation IS true).

    But methinks letting something like this slip before Dakar 2013... if the "switch" is not till end 2013, is amajor faux pas on the part of Cyril's management. Cyril Duplicity or "Money Boy" could be the new non de plume perhaps? :huh
  10. Balkan Boy

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    Timing for this announcement/gossip seems very strange to me.
    I can't see the upside of doing it before the race.
    And just as a reminder, CRF only did half of Dakar in Morocco and one of them went PUF.
  11. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    Neither Despres or Coma's careers would have gone anywhere (in Rally Raid circles anyway) without the integral mentorship, sponsorhip and team structure of the KTM rally effort over the last 10 years... They were both brought early in as waterboys, and groomed to be champions... thanks in no small measure to people like messrs Kinigadner, Trunkenpolz, Arcarons and later the long term continued corporate support of Pierer and Mateschitz (at the KTM/RedBull level).
  12. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    F5ixed... :evil
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    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    "announcement" is stretching the term a bit... :wink: It's cyber gossip or a (wll informed?) insider rumour at best at the moment... but like you say - if it is true - this could have severe "bite one in the ass" ramifications for a solid DAKAR campaign in the coming weeks. :huh

    Up till now I had Cyril as #1 tip for the podium (again) this year... Especially with Coma's injury - then subsequent withdrawal.

    THIS could be a (major) chink in the armour for CDP's 2013 title quest... I think Tiger Woods called it "taking your eye off the ball..." ? :wink:
  14. cyborg

    cyborg Potius Sero Quam Numquam

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    This is getting good, F5 in the warm-up stages. :lurk
  15. Jadon

    Jadon Been here awhile

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    I agree fully. All I meant is that it wasn't completely one sided. When it came down to the nitty gritty of pinning the throttle hour after hour while navigating through the desert at risk to life and limb, KTM have had very good return on their investment in these two men.
  16. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    :nod Doyle sure knows how to turn up the pressure valve on the f5irehose! :lol3:clap
  17. too old

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    It will certainly add spice to the tactical chat and speculation during the 2 weeks :freaky

    The whole thing still sounds rather bizarre though when considering all the dynamics that are in play, and why? - unless Helder made the decision himself, but then where would he be going? :deal

    Answers on a postcard please :lol3
  18. Sylvia

    Sylvia vir sapit qui pauca loqui

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    Impeccable timing has Doyle. Valve adjustments before the first stage, has the whole field in a twitch. :lol3

    So Is Doyle opening the first stage for this year's f5ing feast? Its seems very fitting.
  19. Brodovitch

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    Maybe, in this economy KTM have realised for marketing purposes that they don't need two top notch European riders, and want to groom someone from another corner of the planet (Casseli, or target Helder who speaks the same language as the Brazilian market?). After a decade of dominance, they could be switching focus to the Moto3 category which is wildly popular in the emerging Asian markets

    Maybe, just maybe, the split is mutual, or even instigated by Mattighoffen? For Cyril I would like to see which mega name sponsor he could bring on board. R B and monster are already spoken for...

    On the motogp analogy (which is a good one) methinks it is similar to an Italian alien's pairing with a certain red marque from Bologna. Over confident, over ambitious and a bit greedy to enlarge the bank account before retiring for 4 wheels.

    Another angle (extremely far fetched): maybe Honda -who have been entirely missing from 4 wheeled competition- have promised CD a place on a yet to be announced car effort starting in '16 - '17

    Ok I'll stop now :lol3

    I am sure some people who have been following KTM since their underdog days might be tempted to say good riddance et Bon chance. I might be one of them, even if it means runner up position for team orange in '14
  20. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    I dunno... but if I was Helder, I'd be pissed. Jump on board a new (but great potential) factory project, help form, develop and refine the R&D package from scratch... building for a future dynasty perhaps?

    And then you get bumped after the "premier", because they hire a(n even) big(ger) name from the rival empire after all the groundwork is done...? :huh

    I don't know who said it originally; but a faithfull footsoldier is often a more committed ally than a hired mercinary. In the heat of battle it can be the sense of dedication and cameraderie that makes the difference... not the size of the paycheck... just ask Ducati/Yamaha, Ferrari/Sauber Mercedes etc.
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