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Discussion in 'Parallel Universe' started by The Jinx, Jul 2, 2012.
Once loaded, this is getting very close to the cost of a Super Tenere, a MUCH superior bike.
It really depends what you want. The Super Tenere is better value, and it's a better touring bike.
On the other hand the performance is actually similar and the Super Tenere does weigh an extra 50 kilograms over the 800GS.
There is no way I'd trade my "loaded" 800 on a Super Tenere. If I wanted a big adventure tourer the Triumph Explorer is much more powerfull and interesting, and the Multistrada is just insane and shows what is possible with a 1200 twin. If i was more interested in Offroad I'd keep the 800 or look at a KTM 990.
For people who want a big, heavy, comfortable adventure tourer its great value and pretty good off road (providing you have the right bash plate ), but like every other bike it's not for everyone. It's sort of the opposite of the KTM ... reliable, comfortable, not that exciting ... you get the picture .... only my opinion, and absolutely the right bike for a lot of people.
Like other have said it depends on how and where you want to ride. You seem to have said 85/15. The advantage of the long travel suspension is ground clearance. Will you be hopping ruts. rock, logs? the other is in jumps and whoops. the long travel will better soak them up. Same with wire wheels...they are tougher because the flex and absorb bigge hits.
The other side of the coin is wire wheel flex, give less precise streering in twisties. The narrow front tire give less pavement traction. The high suspension means a higher roll center and slower direction change in twisties on pavement.
F800GS is a high test bike with air injection...it is less fuel efficient..not that that make a difference to most people.
I went with the F650GS because it is lower, handles pavement better, stops quicker and is totally adequate for my dirt road riding.
I would not recommend getting an F800Gs and then lowering it....just added cost to take away one if it's chief benefits.
I would say the F650GS (now F700GS 2013) is the better long distance tourer. Better road handling, better gas milage (longer gearing).
Note the horse power advantage of the F800 is only at over 5000 rpms....this is about 85 mph on my F650.
Take them both for a ride. Buy the one you like best.
Jumps and whoops? Hopping logs? LOL Neither of these bikes are gonna be good at that.
Just try to pull up and ride through a set of whoops at speed on the 800. I dare you.
I think BMW narrowed the difference in these bikes.
Basically one is for shorter riders and on for taller riders.
I'll bet the suspension valving is pretty close on each bike.
He'd need a step stool for the Tenere. That's not an option.
Get the 700.
Ohh, and quit eyeing up my T800.
Wonder if there will be a, not to costly way, to switch over to the new signal indicators for previous years. I'm getting better with the way they are but certainly took some time to accustom myself to them.(I've only had my 658 for a month now) If it wasn't a huge cost I would certainly entertain the idea.
Like you I'm getting used to the "BMW" signal switch location but I do not like it. Even Harley did a better job. Tap once to turn on, tap again to turn off. It's the added switch (on the right side) to cancel that's messing with me the most.
If it can be updated without costing to much I will do it. But I suspect there are wiring harness changes that will present an issue. So if I can't get used to it then I may wire up a switch on the left side that I can push to cancel.
Have you got a link to pricing info on the 700GS?
Much superior in what sense?
Light weight, gas mileage, acceleration and braking, seat height, ease of manoeverabily in tight spaces, insurance cost, needs of the rider?
Two different bikes for different rider's needs.
The S10 is superior for you, the 700GS superior for somebody else.
I would also like to see a MSRP on the F700.
When do the new model year bikes start arriving at dealerships?
Since this will be my first new BMW purchase, if I want a specific color, can it be ordered and when should I do that?
Sorry if these are dumb questions, I have never had the privilege to buy a new bike before. F700 looks perfect for what I want.
I would think pricing would be up soon. Check with your dealer on delivery dates as the vary. Am also looking at the 700 and really like the grey and want all the options.
All it needed was refresh, if you are really going to ride it hard suspension upgrades are rider specific so no need to change, let me do it, as for reliability, 2 bikes of my own and ZERO problems
This is just hot!
I know it's mostly just a paint job but you are correct....
That is one hot looking bike!
Bike porn alert. Lots of pics I haven't seen.
Gotta admit I like the looks of the new 700 better than the new 800. If I were buying a new bike, I might spring for the 700 instead.
If it weren't a woman's bike.
I agree. With all the good & bad of bmw and the griping I/we do about this & that the 700 is a good looking classy bike.
I would tour on it.
(Just make a long travel version)
Buy the cheaper new 700, swap the now properly set up suspension from your old one on to the new one, put the new stuff on the old one. Sell it for a fortune.
Buy beer and celebrate.
Tomorrow I'll tackle global obesity.
god damn it why did they mess up the turn switchs? I don't want the "left-right-click" switch, I want good old BMW style 3 switches for 4 functions!
So they'll mess up the whole next generation of boxer too hmm? thought the GS-series would get away with it and keep the old two-button combo... RIP
Glad I got a 2010 model...
David, you better hide, calling the new F700 a girls bike!! I just totaled my F650GS and may be looking at the new one.
Dan in GP.
Anyone notice the reg/rec had been changed and the rear brake reservoir has been relocated on the 800?