2013 F800GS and F700GS merged threadfest

Discussion in 'Parallel Universe' started by The Jinx, Jul 2, 2012.

  1. Emperor Norton

    Emperor Norton Kilroy was here

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    No, no. If you want THE most accurate and authoritative information you use Google and click "I'm Feeling Lucky":rofl
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  2. Emperor Norton

    Emperor Norton Kilroy was here

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    I think I was confuzzled by this back and forth re: F800r.
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  3. Snowy

    Snowy Long timer

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    I just have to giggle when people I know use Wikipedia as their "reference source" to win an argument.

    I don't think they understand the concept of "collaborative".

    Just cause Wiki says it's so, don't make it so.


    The bizarre things I've found on google completely by accident still amaze me. I've spent hours in stunned disbelief browsing web sites belonging to radical nutjobs because some random word in a search has linked it.

    I'll have the counter terrorist weenies kicking down the front door now. They track everything we do over here now.


    But I see itsatdm's point. The name change would make it easier to identify the old F650GS, as distinct from the older F650GS...not to be confused with the....oh....you know what I mean.
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  4. Emperor Norton

    Emperor Norton Kilroy was here

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    Ahh wiki, Wiki makes Cliff Claven look accurate.
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  5. esblow

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    Just another example of a marketing department run amok. Very sad really. As if picking the perfect(ish) Dualsport/Adventure bike for your style of riding and budget wasn't hard enough. I gotta say, as a researching buyer this move on BMW's part is pushing me towards KTM. I mean, seriously BMW, after Long Way Round came out you must have hit paydirt. Why get greedy and try to cover all marketing demographics? No offense to any owners out there, but IMO BMW Dualsport/Adventure bikes are going the way of the Hummer which is generally a street ride that is too expensive to take in the dirt.

    Whats the old saying? The tail wagging the dog? Yep, that's it. Don't be a slave to marketing departments folks. Trust me, I work in one.

    Sorry to vent. Ride safe.
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  6. Kaw4Life

    Kaw4Life Busted Adventurer

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    Add me to that list!

    :puke1

    I guess I am too old, ABS is for cars and cars with two wheels.
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  7. Kaw4Life

    Kaw4Life Busted Adventurer

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    Well said!
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  8. esblow

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    Add me to that list also. Anybody remember the early anti-dive fork systems from the 80's? :puke1
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  9. theborv

    theborv Been here awhile

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    I like the new F700GS, the looks, the breaks, the control-switches. I am quite excited about it, and it has defenatley tilted me towards the F700GS over the F800GS in the F650GS vs F800GS debate.

    Naming conventions? Who really cares. Keep your tounge straight when you're talking/writing about it, and it's fine. People get hung up on nothing. :evil
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  10. pm9654

    pm9654 Been here awhile

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    I STILL don't get BMW's take on this model. First calling it a 650, now a 700. Pumping up the hp/torque a bit, but come on, through in the powerplant of the GS800 and call it a day. Is even a beginner gonna get into that much more trouble with those extra 10 horses?
    Don't get me wrong, I really like the bike. Just would have a hard time throwing my money down when I could pick up a Tiger with more horses. But I guess I'd have to ride both first, then make up my mind.
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  11. Snowy

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    Yeah, I had a GSX1100EFF with antidive. I reckon it worked ok, needed development, but a neat concept.

    In saying that, the bike handled like a house, stopped like a freight train....but by god did it go!

    I set a Police high speed pursuit record on that baby. Probably still stands. I should write to them and ask.

    Do you think they'd see the funny side of it?
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  12. WOLVERINE

    WOLVERINE Keep her pinned!

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    Not sure about you guys south of the border but here in Metric Land Canada both the F658GS and F800GS have 16l tanks and always have. My wife's 09 does and my old F8 did. Not sure where your getting 18l from but it must be in the conversion.

    So, I guess there won't be a F800GSA coming out anytime soon, with a larger tank (23-27l would be perfect) and adjustable fairing, etc? I was so hoping for such a bike cause to me the current F8GS is not the adventure version in no way shape or form. It lacks the range as a result of a larger tank and the necessary other extras to make it such. The only thing it has on it's side is the 21" front wheel.
    Wake the F*** up BMW and design/build a REAL 800 adventure bike for us guys who want one....If you build it we will Come....
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  13. TFB43

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    If anyone would like an update or face lift to another model, let me know.:rofl It seem whenever I purchase a new vehicle the next model year is redesigned. That being said, I am happy with my 2012 model. Not that much different. I would like to see the new water cooled 1200gs though.
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  14. bobobob

    bobobob IN HOC SIGNO VINCES

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    No, do not throw in the F800GS motor. Thats what the F800GS is for.

    The F650/700GS motor has a much better low end and midrange powerband
    for people who want that kind of power and not the top end concentrated F800GS powerband.
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  15. Maxacceleration

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    More & more I am liking the F700GS. But... they reduced travel by 10mm in the forks and with the added disc certainly put a more street oriented spin on it (probably sharpened its street handling).
    I do like to look at what I ride and I feel the aesthetics are improved.
    Moving the power up the rpm band may hurt its diesel character. BMW probably thought the 650 had too much on the bottom (or lack thereof on top).
    BMW seems a bit confused, but the next generation of riders buying the 700 will probably rave about it.
    I would love to 'long travel' the 700. I could make it a stellar bike.
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  16. itsatdm

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    Don't forget ADV is an Internet source. Think of it as a library, where you never heard of the authors. It requires some ability to separate the wheat from the chaff. Whether you can do that requires a little knowledge and experience, or you can just make fun of it.

    I think BMW realized their mistake in calling this bike a 650. At least now there is some way to differentiate the models. I think the changes are a plus. They also lowered the gearing a tad, so you should feel the added power a little more.

    We seem to get all hung up on HP differences, especially comparing to other bikes. Generally that HP only comes with more cubic inches or spinning the engine to higher rpms. OK on a street bike, not necessarily good for dirt. So deciding which of those bikes to buy, you need to look at where you are going to ride it.

    Triumph has won the HP crown, though the F800 make more of it below 8,500 rpm. KTM has already announced, according to an Internet source, a 1090cc bike for late 2012 and a 1290cc for late 2013. If KTM holds true to their word, there will be 700cc. The internet reported it to be a twin, seems like the KTM 690 fills that void. Don't know if I believe the 1090 1 year model, but no doubt about the 1290cc. Competition for the new water cooled R1200.

    That is why I still believe the 900cc will makes its way into the BMW line up.
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  17. Jooka

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    Seems like BMW would be better served to just drop the 'g' series completely as far as branding goes now.

    F650GS
    F650GS - Sertao
    F700GS
    F800GS

    Still think it should F800GS and F800GSA but at least F700GS won't be so confused with the older single now.
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  18. itsatdm

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    When BMW introduced the F650 twin, they had already dropped the existing F650 singles. They brought them back by popular demand. I don't think they intended for that to happen or they would have just continued the model.

    A big to do about nothing, except for the confusion it has caused some people.
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  19. markjenn

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    Every dyno test I've seen just shows the top end power chopped off the 650/700 vs. the 800 - the two bikes make the same hp/torque at lower RPM.

    - Mark
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  20. grndzr0

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    Working on one today!!! 83 Seca 750. Im putting in new fork seals getting ready to sell it. Im contemplating getting rid of the anti dive, as it makes bleeding the brakes that much more of a hassle.

    Ryan