2013 F800GS and F700GS merged threadfest

Discussion in 'Parallel Universe' started by The Jinx, Jul 2, 2012.

  1. Dieselpwr

    Dieselpwr Been here awhile

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    Actually even the cars are not always named correctly. At one point the 325 had a 2.8 engine and the 328 a 3.0.
  2. Kaw4Life

    Kaw4Life Busted Adventurer

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    I don care if they call it "Dieser Reiter ist der Mensch als Frau verkleidet" as long as it does not turn in to a street bike which is where it seems to be headed.
  3. markjenn

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    The 2011 328i and 335i both have a 3.0 liter engine, turbo'ed in the 335i. In 2012, the 328i gets a 2.0 liter turbo four.

    BMW decided a long time ago that they were not going to be constrained to keep their model names and engine displacements synchronized for cars, what with turbos making displacement a poor indicator of actual engine power. They're now doing the same for bikes. Other makes (particularly KTM) have been playing it fast and loose with model names vs. actual displacement as well.

    I think we need to get over it.

    - Mark
  4. Sock Monkey

    Sock Monkey 99% bullshitter...the other 1% is just lies

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    Specifically interested in what the F8GS w/ ESA might run. I'm guessing $15k (MSRP) here in the USA before fees. Anyone know??? :ear

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  5. Snowy

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    Maybe, but I think they'd keep the firing angle as it is now. I read somewhere when researching it that it was deliberately built the way it is to get the same sound as the 1200. It sounds like a boxer, basically.

    If they change it, they lose that "BMW" connection.

    So maybe they'll go with just the bore and stroke?

    Who knows? If they take the Nuda motor as is, then why buy a Nuda? They wouldn't take away from a brand they already own? Surely?


    Marketing works in mysterious ways. Maybe they'll just leave it as is for the next 4 years and keep selling to the cafe latte tourers? It seems to make up a large slice of their market locally. Why make changes for the minority?

    BMW appears at face value to have decided who makes up their target market for each model and aimed the models squarely at them. The local dealer will tell any one enquiring that if they want to do off road like me, buy the 650 single. If you want to do 2-up touring like me, buy the 1200.

    I've listened to the sales talks with potential customers, and if they propose that they want to use the F800GS like a lot of us on here do, they start recommending other bikes.

    Essentially, they are marketing it as a commuter/weekend solo tourer, with a touch of BMW class.

    It's a lot easier market segment to keep happy.
  6. itsatdm

    itsatdm Long timer

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    It will sound like a V twin and have a similar firing order.
    the Yamaha TDM and S10 have it. The theory is, if you space the power strokes further apart, the tire has more opportunity to regain traction.

    Yamaha started using a similar configuration in their 4 cylinder Grand Prix bikes in 2005. Ducati does it naturally with its 90 degree V twin engine.

    The Nuda not only has the offset crank, it has bigger valves, higher lift
    cams and 13.1 compression.

    I do not want all that, but I think the crank would be good. It is BMW, they will probably do something else.
  7. PenultimateMan

    PenultimateMan Lost Boy

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    If BMW start doing that, they might as well just jump on-board with Harley's naming conventions and be done with it. It's bad enough that they already label "Adventure" bikes separately from the normal GS bikes. "Gelände/Straße" is already supposed to mean "off-road" which one would think would also mean "adventure"!

    Most of the "Adventure" bikes that I see are usually only used for suburban commuting anyway, and though I'm an advocate of a bike making every little trip into an adventure, I'm pretty sure that's not what the boys in Berlin had in mind. :topes

    Ultimately, it's all how the bike's used. FFS, Ted Simon's Tiger was little more than a customised street bike by today's standards!
  8. TexasMule

    TexasMule Float away ya fairy...

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    You really can't be that naive...:rofl

    Let's see - international company, a HUMONGOUS marketing department, and their marketing obviously works. Do you remember NEW COKE?

    I could site another half dozen gaffs made by international/marketing/behemoths...

    edit - aw hell, may as well bring up a couple from the venerable Motorrad Co. R1200ST (unmitigated disaster), R1200S (just a tad less so).
  9. SlowerThanYou

    SlowerThanYou SlipperyWhenSlippery

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  10. JRWooden

    JRWooden Long timer

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    From the above article:

    "Both models come standard with the newest generation of ABS brakes which are lighter and more compact. The inlet valves are adjustable and it uses new wheel sensors."

    what are adjustable inlet valves? :huh
  11. Endurodude

    Endurodude Been here awhile

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    Just as an aside, I went into my BMW dealership today, and started talking to the sales guy about the new F800. He was looking at BMW's website for details - I knew more than him! He thought it was being unveiled at the BMW weekend in Germany, so maybe there's more details on the way.

    I like the 'dark green' colour scheme, though!
  12. markjenn

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  13. arjones

    arjones Roads and Waves

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    Ok, I didn't like. Seems mostly cosmetic changes and, some of them, pretty hard to deal with. Did you guys realized they put back the old bulbs blinkers?:huh Actually, it's a little confuse, 'cause when you go to the bike's picture, complete with all the BMW stuffs, the LED ones appear on the bike. Is that because it's optional now? On the other hand: relocate the rear brake fluid reservoir could expose it to the engine heat. The same with the regulator: more exposed to mud, rocks and other stuffs flying up during off roads trips.

    How about the beak? In my bike, if I had an accident and damage the beak, I can buy it (only it) to put the bike's front end back together again. If something like this occur with the new model, you should buy an even bigger part, 'cause the "new beak actually goes all the way to the false tank...:eek1. Of course, bigger part, more money to spend. In order to "de-beak" it, you would have to use a saw.:lol3

    All in all, I didn't like because I can't see any application for these mods. Maybe I'm an ignorant.
  14. lawe

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    Interesting to see that both front and rear break reservoirs now look exactly as my modified ones :-) So much for air bubbles in the front reservoir....

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  15. Roadscum

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  16. bobobob

    bobobob IN HOC SIGNO VINCES

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    Anybody have any pricing info? :ear
  17. REALGRAVEROBBER

    REALGRAVEROBBER LEAVING GRAVES EMPTY

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    My bike was basically designed and made in 1987 (it's a KLR650 1.0) and it's still more bike than I can handle. Just sayin.
  18. gfloyd2002

    gfloyd2002 Title Free Since '12

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    I'm with you graverobber. I find anything over 650cc more than I ever need. In fact, after riding since the 80s, I bought a little Ninja 250 in 2010 and have been using that for my commuter to good result. Comfortable 70 mph on the freeway, accelerates faster than the cars I ride with, great gas mileage, and really fun to throw around on weekend excursions on back roads. I honestly can't understand the need for liter+ displacement, though I respect the skills of those who handle them. And, as it relates to the F700GS, the increase in horsepower and torque for me is a complete non-issue -- it had plenty before. I'd rather keep the weight down and have a true 650cc on a lighter bike that I find more fun in the corners or on bad roads.
  19. petzi-baer

    petzi-baer Been here awhile

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    Hello Paul,

    On the one with all the electronics, what can you control with ESA?

    Thanks

    petzi-baer
  20. Roadscum

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    Sorry but I don`t know. I don`t speak German, the the reps english was a bit weak I didn`t want to be a PITA as ther were many folks waiting to speak with him.

    Regards, Paul