2013 F800GS forks and rims

Discussion in 'Parallel Universe' started by ilyaon, Sep 26, 2012.

  1. ilyaon

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    Since it has been a lot of complains regarding F800 forks and rims, do anyone knows if these issues have been resolved on 2013 model?
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  2. PatrickM

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    From my understanding - it's a different front fork.
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  3. Camel ADV

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    Really? Where did you here that? I'm not being a smart-ass prick, I just hadn't hear that before. If it's true I'm curious what they swapped to.
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  4. SaTaNaX

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    Same Rims, but the forks are WP. :evil
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  5. LukasM

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    +1? :huh
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  6. Gundy

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    I am curious to know this as well as I am soon to be purchasing either an 800 or the KTM. Really like the 800, but needing to upgrade suspension and wheels on an already pricey bike seems like a bad plan.
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  7. LukasM

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    FYI the KTMs have the same wide and soft rims if you are talking about the 950/990 Adventure.

    I still doubt that BMW has done any real upgrade to the forks like - gasp - making them adjustable or even just not crimping the cartridges so that they could at least be revalved...

    But maybe PatrickM will expand on what he heard and where.
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  8. greenthumb

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    Specs say 43mm diameter now over the old 45mm. Same 230mm travel.
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  9. LukasM

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    No they don't. Bad source.
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  10. greenthumb

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    Straight from the horses ass

    http://www.bmw-motorrad.com/com/en/...gs/f800gs_overview.html&prm_action=&notrack=1

    Engine
    Type Water-cooled 4-stroke in-line two-cylinder engine, two valves per cylinder, two overhead camshafts, dry sump lubrication
    Bore x stroke 82 mm x 75.6 mm
    Capacity 798 cc
    Rated output 63 kW (85 hp) at 7,500 rpm (possible 35 kW (48 hp) at 7,000 rpm
    Max. torque 83 Nm at 5,750 rpm (derating 63 Nm at 6,000 rpm)
    Compression ratio 12.0 : 1
    Mixture control / engine management Electroinc intake pipe injection, digital engine management (BMS-K+)
    Emission control Closed-loop 3-way catalytic converter, emission standard EU-3
    Performance / fuel consumption
    Maximum speed Over 200 km/h
    Fuel consumption per 100 km at constant 90 km/h 3.8 l
    Fuel consumption per 100 km at constant 120 km/h 5.2 l
    Fuel type Unleaded super, minimum octane rating 95 (RON); optional extra 91 (RON) available
    Electrical system
    Alternator three-phase alternator 400 W
    Battery 12 V / 14 Ah, maintenance-free
    Power transmission
    Clutch Multiple-disc clutch in oil bath, mechanically operated
    Gearbox Constant mesh 6-speed gearbox integrated into crankcase
    Drive Endless O-ring chain with shock damping in rear wheel hub
    Chassis / brakes
    Frame Tubular steel space frame, load-bearing engine
    Front wheel location / suspension Upside-down telescopic fork, Ø 43 mm
    Rear wheel location / suspension Cast aluminium dual swing arm, WAD strut (travel related damping), spring pre-load hydraulically adjustable (continuously variable) at handwheel, rebound damping adjustable
    Suspension travel front / rear 230 mm / 215 mm
    Wheelbase 1,578 mm
    Castor 117 mm
    Steering head angle 64°
    Wheels Wire spoke wheels
    Rim, front 2.15 x 21"
    Rim, rear 4.25 x 17"
    Tyres, front 90/90 - 21 54V
    Tyres, rear 150/70 - 17 69V
    Brake, front Dual disc, floating brake discs, diameter 300 mm, double-piston floating calipers, ABS
    Brake, rear Single disc, diameter 265 mm, single-piston floating caliper, ABS
    ABS Standard
    Dimensions / weights
    Length 2,320 mm
    Width (incl. mirrors) 945 mm
    Height (excl. mirrors) 1,350 mm
    Seat height, unladen weight 880 mm (low seat: 850 mm, with lowering: 820 mm, Rallye seat: 920 mm, comfort seat: 895 mm)
    Inner leg curve, unladen weight 1,930 mm (low seat: 1,880 mm, with lowering: 1,820 mm, Rallye seat: 1,990 mm, comfort seat: 1,960 mm)
    Unladen weight, road ready, fully fuelled 1) 214 kg
    Dry weight 2) 191 kg
    Permitted total weight 443 kg
    Payload (with standard equipment) 229 kg
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  11. LukasM

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  12. Emperor Norton

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    I'd bet against you. And I'd win. Care to know why? The US site didn't screw up. That international site OTOH did.

    The US site (http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/us/en/index.html) lists the forks as 45mm so it's the same as the German one.:D

    [​IMG]
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  13. LukasM

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    Is that your way of saying that you agree with me that the forks are still the same shitty cheap 45mm Zokes? :D
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  14. Emperor Norton

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    Yup:freaky
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  15. PatrickM

    PatrickM Been here awhile

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    New fork, why do I say this? This was a recollection from about two weeks back, but I'll try to explain what I do remember.

    This came in from my dealer when the bike was in for her first service (9/15). He noticed a leak and proceeded to tear down the fork.

    At that point he noticed that the fork seal was a different size, and I want to say 43mm. He went looking in the US for a replacement seal and there weren't any in the CONUS. He checked the parts diagram and saw that the Germany site wasn't up to date with the new 2013 model and that there were only 10 (5 sets) of those seals in DE anyhow (so he requested an overnight of a set of seals). In addition, because of the different size of the seals he said BMW hadn't released an official tool to do the job.

    They cleaned it up and put it back as best they could. Told me to keep an eye on it and if it happens, be prepared to take it in again.

    In conclusion..

    1. No fork seals available in the US
    2. No updated tool to manage/replace/repair the seals
    3. Only 10 available in Germany
    4. Having to overnight replacement seals

    This leads me to believe it's a different fork. If it were the same fork and seal, they'd be able to swap it out with the parts they had/have on hand.
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  16. Camel ADV

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    Not having seals on hand doesn't mean new forks, it simply means there aren't seals on hand. They may have a superseded seal number and no stock on the new ones. As far as the install tool goes... a 45mm seal driver works on basically any 45mm fork. You can go on eBay and pick up a generic driver 45mm driver. I think your dealer is feeding you BS.

    This riddle is easily solved.
    A question for anyone with a 2013 F800gs: Does you front suspension suck? If so they are still using the Marzocchi sealed 45mm forks.

    I doubt BMW would change from one shitty part to another shitty part. I expect if they did change they would have gone to an adjustable fork this time. I also expect if they changed that they would make a point of advertising that fact.

    Just my thoughts though.
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  17. RandoCommando

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    As the new owner of a 2013, I can tell you they changed the forks.
    The forks are now WP.
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  18. Motorfiets

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    Wrong
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  19. LukasM

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    Your bike might have the only 45mm WP USD forks in the world.... :rofl

    Do they say WP on them or what gives you that idea? There should be a part number embossed into the axle clamps, can you post that for us, or even better, post some pictures of the forks themselves so we can finally put this speculation at rest?
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  20. PatrickM

    PatrickM Been here awhile

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    It's getting dark but here's what I was able to grab really quick

    Pair of these stickers at the top of each fork.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/84763434@N07/8031538590/" title="Untitled by pmrowczynski, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8314/8031538590_2c14d38f19_c.jpg" width="800" height="600" alt="Untitled"></a>

    Did a quick measurement of the fork slider/tube diameter, 43mm.
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