2013 Ford E-150 ?

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  1. ozmoses

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    Having my van down for 10 days recently gave me the opportunity to consider alternatives-specifically the 2013 E150.

    Used to be the 150 was light duty but I guess that changed @ 2010 or so. Actual payload & towing capacity is not that much less than the 250, same motor,tranny,wheels,etc. Frankly, I'm unclear where the actual difference lies other than the suspension.

    Any experiences good or bad?
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  2. concours

    concours WFO for 41 years

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    Besides heavy 8 lug axles, BA-RAKES!!!
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    The E150 is 8 lug; brakes are 4 way anti-lock on both models.

    Rear axle?
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  4. broncobowsher

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    Nissan did the same thing on there NV1500. Same big brakes and 8-lug wheels. I was told it was different springs and suspension tuning. Done for regulatory purposes (lighter GVW better tax rate, some places allow half ton trucks in places where 3/4ton are banned, weird stuff like that). Ford probably did it for the same reasons.
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  5. concours

    concours WFO for 41 years

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    LOL, read some SPECIFICATIONS... not Subaru commercial fluff.. seems you already have your mind made up. Check rotor diameter... brake swept area, etc. 8 lug axles on 150's? At least it's better than the fricken SEVEN lug shit they sold a few years ago...:clap
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    Funny you mention the NV; I had a look at the NV2500. Nice rig but, the motor positioned out front sacrifices the star & intent of the vehicle-cargo space!! Oddly, they are much larger than they appear at a glance. Losing that 10' capability proved a deal breaker for me at this point.

    Ford has nixxed the Econoline for the Transit beginning in 2015. My take is they streamlined the vans since 2010 in preparation-why maintain an inventory many different parts .

    The GVW of the E150 now requires commercial plates, at least here.
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    concours- what are you on about?

    Here are the Ford specs- http://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/eseries-cargo-van/specifications/view-all/

    Here are specs from Car & Driver, same brake rotors,etc:

    http://buyersguide.caranddriver.com...uper-duty-and-e-350-super-duty/specs#features


    Do you actually own or drive one?

    Do you know anything about or have actual experience with the 2013 E150?

    That is the input I'm seeking.

    I recall your "suggestions" in my Savana thread; don't need that here either. Thanks.
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    DirtyDog Lust for dust.

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    I have put 10' sticks in the Nissan van. The center console is slightly undercut to give just enough room. Need to haul more? the center console is removable as well. Come to think of it, I am not sure if you get a center console with the 1500?

    That long snout gets you off the front wheels, rides better. and you have foot room:clap There was actually thought put into driver (and passenger) comfort. Ever take a road trip and have your feet on top of each other because the foot well isn't wide enough? The Nissan has room.

    You may want to reconsider it.
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  10. ozmoses

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    bronco-

    not sticks, necessarily, but sheets.

    I'll tell you, I did like the NV overall; if they made a 4wd it probably would have been a done deal. Moving that motor forward increased vehicle length by the same amount cargo was decreased which left me thinking I might as well go back to a pickup w/ a cap and racks and have the bonus of 4wd; of course, that route gets costly pretty quick!

    Now, if I were looking for a people hauler the NV would be high on my list-Nissan seems fairly aggressive here about gaining market share, I have to imagine vehicle quality & reliability are a large part of that.

    I really do have my eye on a transit down the road so the E150, the newest vehicle I've ever owned, is sort of an equity stake as well.

    At least in theory...
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  11. villageidiot

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    I don't have any experience with the '13 model, but I drove an 06 60k in a year.

    My experience was it was quite a nice vehicle. Unloaded or lightly loaded would yield about 18-20 on the highways. (Bikes inside etc, surf gear, light household supplies)

    Loaded up for camping and towing a trailer with dune buggy, and a moto or 2 would yield about 12mpg highway.

    I had the 4.6l v8. It was smooth, and nice.

    The trans was great, but be sure to service at 30k.

    My experience with the 5.4l is they spit spark plugs. I don't know of they have re designed the cylinder heads or not, but having spark plugs spat out in the middle of nowhere sucks. It usually destroys the coil pack because it blows up thru it.

    The 8 lug axles and bigger brakes only mean better brakes and stronger. Ain't nothin wrong with that.

    In all honesty, I doubt you could put 4x10 sheets of wood/drywall in it and clear the rear doors, I know for a fact I couldn't with my 06. My 11'6 longboard would JUST touch the windshield lay across the bed/storage box I built right behind the front seats, and I'd have to put a towel between it and the rear doors.

    If the "long box" model, I'm sure it'll fit, but not in the base 2006. So be sure to measure.

    Vans are the best, I really miss mine.
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    I do wonder about the motor; Edmunds,etc, all rate it as underpowered & sluggish. It seems odd because an '89 F150 4x4 I owned years ago had the straight 6 which,iirc, was a 3.9L- that truck hauled weight and ass.I took that from 72k mi to 172k mi; it was still strong but had rusted away.:cry

    Buddy at the time had same motor in an '88 w/ a lift and big tires, still plenty of go; of course, they were both 5 speeds.

    Actually, that guy's dad was driving an e150 w/ the straight 6 as well. He bought it new and drove it 385,000 miles ! Too bad they don't make that motor anymore...
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    The 4.6 in the econoline is the basic 2V engine that has been around since the early 90's. Also stuck in crown vic taxis and can often be found in original condition still running at 400k.
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    Having 8 lug wheels is not the main concern. Does the F-150 have a true full-floating rear axle? That was what always defined heavy duty or Super Duty, and only came on the 250-350 series previously.
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  15. David R

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    GVW 8800 lbs makes it a 3/4 ton van.

    Front axle 3700
    Rear 5100 semi floating axle

    In 2008 Ford changed the way the twin I beams mount to the frame and made it much easier to do ball joints that they all seem to need at about 80,000.

    I maintain a fleet of 25 ford and Chevy 3/4 ton and one ton vans. These are bought new and traded at 125 to 150,000 miles.

    At 40,000 miles they need brakes and tires. Again at 75,000 and one more time around 115,000. The rest it oil changes and ball joints around 80 to 100,000. No belts, no shocks, no tranny fluid change, a few air filters and that is about it. Of the 25 I do about one fuel pump a year and yes maybe one blown out spark plug. The last one took the fuel rail with it so the van was spraying fuel everywhere. Spark plug still attached to the coil. Its really lucky it didn't go up in smoke. We do have two 2013 in the fleet, but they are still new and 3/4 ton so I can't say much about them.

    When they were getting traded in around 100,000 I was not even replacing spark plugs, now I do them between 80 and 100,000.

    You won't find a better work van.

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    Sounds about right. I just sold my 2001 E-350. It was a 6.8. Panel van with a Quigley 4wd conversion. It had the big corporate full floater limited-slip rear axle and a Dana 60 open knuckle in front. No engine or trans problems whatsoever.
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    https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/non-html/2013/13_ESeries_Van_Cutaway_SB_Updates.pdf

    All of the specs (assuming cargo van, not a people van), only difference betwixt a 150 and 250 in some cases is the model number and slightly different weight ratings on the certification stickers.

    Same frame, same axles, same steering, same brakes, same wheel options, same engine and transmission options.

    Possible differences in the actual spring rates and GAWR AND GVWR ratings.

    Same GCWR and almost the same tow ratings: http://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/13FLRVTTgde_Oct19.pdf
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  18. vtwin

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    If you want to try one, rent a U-Haul van for $19.95+miles. I drove a brand new one with 227 miles on it, but it was a E250, steering sucks though. I'd probably go for the 250 over the 150. We use fleet E350's at work and they take a real beating, some are old and beat, but they just keep running.
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    Is that decent for a full-sized van? I've put 10' conduit and 2x4s in a 2000 Honda Civic sedan.

    :lol3
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    Well,scratch the E150.

    Went to check one out, actually went to purchase, & took some measures. I'm unsure if I remember correctly but the late 80's and mid 90's versions I worked out of at least seemed larger. In any case, one big down side was that the rear cargo doors were not wide enough to fit my scaffolding. Actually, the entire cargo area seemed pretty tight in all directions.

    Coincidentally, as I was pulling out to leave the TPMS showed low(read flat!) in one of borrowed car's tires so I continued across the lot and found myself parked in front of an E150, GMC 1500 and Nissan NV. Talk about comparison shopping!!

    Took out my tape measure and went to town:Nissan by far the tallest and widest, Ford the smallest all around. The GM has that great cargo length of 10+ feet. While I do like the NV, at 20+ feet in length and 7+ feet high I had to wonder if it would even fit in the garage!! Plu, the rack systems available for it here in the US are a bit clumsy.

    Most advantageous flat tire I've ever had.

    So, the GM won out.


    Now, if the NV is offered in AWD/4WD in three years...
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