2013 Honda CB1100

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by cabanza, Aug 24, 2012.

  1. dirtdreamer50

    dirtdreamer50 long time rider

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    I've found that today's market on motorcycles has them pricing out around $1000 per 100cc engine displacement for a more standard model. Start adding the Bells and Whistles, race technology, suspension, tuned engines, cruise, audio, etc, and the price goes up from there. So, using that theory, $10,000 for an 1100cc no frills standard motorcycle is in line.

    B&W's can be expensive. My RT has a 1200cc engine, but with all the B&W's, it sells for almost $22K. Take all the super goodies off the RT, fairing, electronics, suspension, audio, etc, and it would sell for about the same as the CB, and make itself a good over all bike. Ask any R90 or R100 owners.

    Folks seem to want and expect the B&W's and will pay for them, Different strokes and different bikes for everyone, Use the $1k to 100cc rule and see what strokes you and just how much that stroking is going to additionally set you back to own...tomp
  2. ZappBranigan

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    Nobody. Which means that one of two things must be true:

    1. There's a huge, untapped demand for these types of motorcycles and that motorcycle manufacturers are too dumb to realize it, or

    2. There isn't a huge untapped demand for these types of motorcycles which is why nobody else makes one - they can't make money selling them.

    Now, you might believe #1, but motorcycle sales history for the past 20 years or so has shown that #2 is pretty much the rule in the US. Again I would refer you to the Zephyr, the CB1000, the naked Bandit and the naked ZR7. All were big naked standards, all were introduced to tap into the supposed desire for a big naked standard, and all weere miserable failures in terms of sales.

    Believe me, there's nobody on ADVRider who would like to see a UJM revival more than me. I love those big 4 cyl standards. A CB1300 or XJR1400 would be my absolute dream bike.

    But the sad fact is, here in the US, motorcycles have to fit into a "niche" and this one really doesn't (or more accurately, the niche that it fits into is microscopically small.)

    It doesn't matter if a million people like this bike. Because how many of those million (a) actually are in the market for a new motorcycle and (b) have that kind of money to spend and (c) actually want this bike?

    If American riders had wanted a bike like this, they could have had one many times over the last 20 years. The only one that was really successful was the 1991-2003 CB750 Nighthawk, and that was successful primarily because it was marketed as a budget bike.
  3. Eddy Alvarez

    Eddy Alvarez Always dreaming of the next big ride!

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    Why does anybody think that if Honda put smaller pistons in this bike and made it a 900 or 750 that it would be any cheaper? It would still cost the same to make. This is what killed the wonderful BMW K75's, everybody wanted one much cheaper than the K100 but they cost BMW the same to build.
    Many people are also assume that this bike should be sold for much less because it's a "old style CB Honda". I will agreee that it could be maybe $700 cheaper and that you are paying a little of a premium for the nostalgia and the Honda name. It may look like a 70-something CB but is a brand new, recently developed 2013, 1100cc Honda with FI, ABS, heated grips option and Lexus like paint with an amazing level of refinement.

    Check out the out the door price on a Z1000 Ninja, BMW R1200R, FZ-1 Moto Guzzi Grizzo, Harley 1200 Sportser/Street Bob or CB1000R, it can get to $13,000, or much higher, in a hurry.
  4. ssregal39

    ssregal39 Been here awhile

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    My point about the 600 vs 1000, was that it doesn't make particularly good sense to build two bikes the same physical size, but one with 1.5 times the motor. To the point of "why should they build it any bigger than it has to be", maybe so more than 20 yr olds who still have good knees can fold themselves up on to it......regardless, a 3/4 scale CB, that visually doesn't do the old CB's justice, with a small tank is too much of a niche bike. I think Honda is missing a significant portion of the market with it's new found focus on minibikes. Time will tell.
  6. dirtdreamer50

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    DIMENSIONS CB1100 2013
    Rake 27.0 degrees (Caster Angle)
    Trail 107mm (4.2 inches)
    Wheelbase 58.7 inches
    Seat Height 31.3 inches
    Fuel Capacity 3.9 gallons, including 0.9-gallon reserve

    Dimensions:**CB750
    Length: 85.6in = 2175mm**
    Width: 34.3in =870mm**
    height: 46.1in 1170mm**
    Wheel base: 57.3in = 1455mm
    Weight: (Dry) 479Lbs = 218Kg
    Capacities:**
    Engine oil: 3.7 US qt. = 3.5 lit.**
    Fuel Tank: 4.5 US gal. = 17 lit.**
    Fuel Res.: 1.3 gal. = 5 lit.


    Here's some specs on the 1100 on top, and CB750 on bottom. The thing i noticed is the wheel base on the new bike is about 1 1/2" longer, than the original. How is it a 3/4 750 if it is bigger? Honda seems to added a little length for greater stability. Guess we could check the '83 CB1100F for its specs, but that's another post... tomp dd50
  7. RedRocket

    RedRocket Yeah! I want Cheesy Poofs

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    So you're trying to say that the CB is worth $ 500 LESS than a single disc braked wheezed of a 750 Guzzi with shitty reliability and resale?


    SSUUUURRRRRRE.:1drink
  8. Ginger Beard

    Ginger Beard I have no soul

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    And nearly double the hp. The bikes price in inline with others of the same "type". It's slightly more than a Bonnie and slightly less than a Sportster 1200 while having a great specs list. I don't get the complaints regarding price considering the current MC market. :dunno
  9. PAULIBIKER

    PAULIBIKER Been here awhile

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    I think it will sell.

    What's a Bonnie/Scrambler/T100 run? $9K?

    I would take a Honda for $10K anyday.
  10. dirtdreamer50

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    Here's offerings from other manufacturers, not previously mentioned, in the same standard, albeit not retro design:

    Kawasaki Z1000...$11,000
    Suzuki GSX1250FA... $11,600
    Yamaha FZ8...$8900
    Ducati Monster 1100EVO... $12,000
    Triumph Speed Triple...$11,000

    These, except for the EVO, all look like Transformers, and if you add in Honda's own CB1000R, also a Transformer at $11,800, the CB1100 comes in at an attractive price point. Not everyone wants a Transformer, even with water cooled this and tuneable suspension that.

    The CB is a simple "retro modern", that to ride and enjoy, one just has to get on a go. If Honda markets it correctly here, it will sell, but if they don't it probably won't sell, and be determined another failure, because Americans only want cruisers or crotch rockets, right?...
  11. ZappBranigan

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    You guys are all barking up the wrong tree.

    There's no need to sell me on this bike - I love it already.

    The question is, who is the potential buyer of this bike?

    A million people can love this bike, think it's awesome, write all kinds of praise, dump a jillion accolades on it.

    But the only issue that matters is how many people are going to walk into a Honda dealership and plunk down $10k on a bike that looks like the same one they can buy off of CL for $1500?

    I'd be curious to know what Honda's "Break even" point on this bike is. That is, how many do they have to sell to justify bringing it to the US market, and how many do they have to sell to justify keeping it in this market?

    Motorcycle history is littered with the remains of innovative motorcycles that got awesome reviews and then collected dust on the showroom floors until they were unceremoniously discontinued two years after their introduction.

    To me this seems like a bike that will wither on the vine as a new bike and will only acheive cult status after it hits the secondary market (in the same way that the CB1000 was a miserable sales failure but now has quite a cult following.)

    The only retro bike like this I can think of that was a sales success in the US was the Kawasaki ZRX.
  12. espacef1fan

    espacef1fan Been here awhile

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    I ment to sy CB1100. The bike discussed int he title of this thread..DOH... Both retro-ish semi sporty standards...that arent ll about chrome.
  13. mikesova

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    In this episode of Cleveland Moto, towards the end of the podcast they do a side by side comparison between the upcoming cb1100 and the old early 80's one. It's kind of interesting.
    Podcast 12.03.12
  14. rider33

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    a saw this bike at the Mpls. Motor show this afternoon, 'very nice bike an apt to be an instant classic.
    It is a bit small (I'm 6'2") but no more than most retro standards (W, T100, V7 etc). Much of that
    seems due to the seat which must be dished down a couple of inches in the front. Building that up to
    a nice level platform should open it up nicely. In terms of buyers, judging from the folks looking
    hard at it I'd say it breaks 1/3 hipper 20's something's to 2/3rd's 50+ use-to or wanted-to-have
    a CB750. Don't count it out too quickly. It's the nicest standard I've seen in a while an unlike most,
    it's not trying to be a clone of the old bike, "modern standard" is well put: it touches back
    to memory but does not try to relive it.
  15. single

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    Putting the CB1100 against the Monster 1100 is a bit disingenuous, as it's performance is more in line with the 696 - if anything I'd imagine the 696 is much faster, since it is about 150 pounds lighter.

    Which brings up another point, why is the CB1100 so darn heavy? Almost 550 pounds for an air cooled mill. Even a Bonnie is under 500 pounds.

    I agree with others that I think the market for this bike in this country is going to be tiny, and I don't think that's necessarily a bad or surprising thing.
  16. markjenn

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    Spec is 540-lbs w/fuel (spec for the non-ABS) which is more/less in line with what you'd expect for 1100cc inline-four. That's about what earlier inline-four air-cooled bikes weighed. Yes, the Bonny specs 45-lbs lighter, but you'd expect that for a twin vs. an inline-four as well as a bike that has about 30% more displacement and power. There are also detail changes that add weight like using alloy rather than plastic fenders.

    All in all, its weight is more or less consistent with the spec. I doubt Honda has spent a great deal of time trying to shave weight from the design as the small savings aren't worth the trouble - this is a bike that sells on looks more than performance.

    - Mark
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  18. dirtdreamer50

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    Listened to the whole podcast. Interesting overall info. I mentioned similar comparisons between the 83 and the 13 1100's some posts back, and also wondered why so much less, costs so much more. Guess they are selling nostalgia, and at a premium. Except for the blocky 80's look of the F, I would rather own/ride it over the 13. One tenth the dollar amount to insure it compared to the new model is great, too. Oh well, guess I will wait a few months to make my decision.

    If you are really interested in the 1100, take the time and listen the the podcast mikesova posted. It does put the 1100 into perspective. tomp dd50
  19. conchscooter

    conchscooter Long timer

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    Cry me a river
    I paid $1100 for my wife's CT scan yesterday in our non single payer privately operated scam of a medical system. . Even with "health insurance" I run the risk of bankruptcy if I fall off my motorcycle in the Land of the Free (we are decidedly brave).
    Oh and the privately run efficent, non-socialised hospital has lost the results. Can't find 'em...
  20. Dave in Wi

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    I haven't owned a CB1100F, but I have owned a 750 & 900F. Personally, at this point in my life I'd take the '13 1100 all day long over the 83. I'm sure the 83 is faster, and it'is a "real" vintage bike. But let me tell you about the reality of owning one of these.

    Both my 750 & 900 were purchased as running survivors, for not a lot of scratch. But to get them truly roadworthy, here are some of the things I had to do: Rebuild carbs, new steering head bearings, swing arm bushings, adjust valves, rebuild brakes, and a bunch of things I've worked very hard to forget. The thing to remember is the originals are now old bikes. One that's been ridden will most likely have a lot of deferred maintenance and will need a bunch of work. Even a low mile example. And even once you get all the work done, it's still an old bike so if you ride far from home, you'd better have a backup plan for when it breaks down. I know that can happen to any bike, but lets face it, it's more likely on an older bike.

    For me, I'd rather spend my time riding. That's why I got rid of mine and got a newer bike. I wish Honda had brought this bike here sooner, I would have had one.