2013 Honda CBR500R and CB500F

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by DOUBLE-O G, Sep 13, 2012.

  1. NortwestRider

    NortwestRider TRIPOD ADVENTURER !!

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    Wow,thats only about $200 less than the NC700x !!!!.At the IMS they were hoping it would be right at $6,000.


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  2. Grainbelt

    Grainbelt marginal adventurer Super Moderator

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    It is CAD 2,200 less than the NC700X, which lists for CAD 8,999
  3. markjenn

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    It is interesting that Honda Canada prices the F and the R the same, but is bumping the X $500 higher. American Honda prices the F $500 below the R. I had thought it likely that the X would be the same price as the R ($6K), but this makes me think American Honda will bump the X above the R by a few hundred. Why else would they be delaying the price announcement except that it is bad news?

    ABS looks like it is always $500 extra.

    My prediction: CB500X wo/ABS, $6299; w/ABS, $6799.

    - Mark
  4. RaY YreKa

    RaY YreKa Palanquins RTW

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    I thought ABS was standard on all of them?

    With regard to the X price, I guess you paying for the larger tank and slightly taller suspension.
  5. Grainbelt

    Grainbelt marginal adventurer Super Moderator

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    ABS is a $500 option here, same as with the CBR250R.

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  6. fragile_this_side_up

    fragile_this_side_up Long timer

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    saw them at the show yesterday. i want the X so bad. have wanted it for some time. sitting on it makes me really want it as my next bike...
  7. OConnor

    OConnor Bad juju

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    Can't find much on the CBR500 in race trim. Anyone got any better pics/info?

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  8. Navin

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    These guys have a dyno chart I've seen but don't see on the site,

    http://tyga-performance.com/site/index.php

    44.4 RWHP with a full exhaust, up about 1 HP from the stock test. The HP and tq curves are very linear and within 1-2 HP and a ft-lb or two between the two tests. It drops off at 8500 and is done at 9,000 RPM. If it rides like the chart looks it will be competent but dull IMO.

    If I find a postable chart I'll get it here.
  9. Navin

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  10. OConnor

    OConnor Bad juju

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    So the hp of a 450 single. Hopefully there will be some performance upgrades available eventually. I'd like to see mid 50's.
  11. Cortez

    Cortez BAZINGA!

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    Without the durability of the single of that power, thankfully.

    Like with the NC700X, highly unlikely.
  12. Navin

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    IDK, my 2000 DRZ 400 made about 45 crank HP with its FCR and a full exhaust. It wasn't a time bomb by any measure, and only 400cc, no BB kit. I have no doubt a 500cc thumper can live at 45 RWHP for a very long time, I've had a 520, 525 and now a 530 KTM just going and going and going. :1drink

    I've owned a bunch of parallel twins even though I'm not really a fan of the design. One thing they all did/do was wail. This sounds like it will be a bit of a dullard, especially at that weight.
  13. Grainbelt

    Grainbelt marginal adventurer Super Moderator

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    IMS was here last weekend - I'll say one thing, they got the rider triangle perfect on the F and R models. the X is weird like the versys, high bars don't match the somewhat rearset pegs. The packaging and finish are reasonably good. Certainly a lot of bike for the cash.

    As for the motor, if it feels like the Ninja 650, it'll work. If it feels like the F800, I'm out. Somewhere in the middle.... I dunno.
  14. Navin

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    We don't ride dynos but if that chart is any indication the Kawi 650 is a real hot rod in comparison to the Honda IMO. My 300 stock was kinda dull too, great midrange and torque that fell off sharply at 10,500. The 13000 redline was useless. now with a pipe & tune it is fun to scream it with gains everywhere else too.

    http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/c...ki_ninja_650_vs_2012_yamaha_fz6r/viewall.html

    near 20ish more RWHP? Yeah, that ain't this 500.
  15. Moonshiner

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    I totally agree with the statement about the F and R models. I really liked the R model.

    The thing is, the 500's will be good options for beginner bikes. Power won't be as big of a concern.
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    You realize that the Ninja makes a LOT less power than the F800, right? And even if the 54 crank hp rumored for the 500 is true, this is going to be well down on the reported 60 or so at the rear wheel the 650 makes. So the 500 isn't going to be "somewhere in the middle".

    - Mark
  17. Grainbelt

    Grainbelt marginal adventurer Super Moderator

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    I said 'feels like', not 'looks like on dyno chart'.

    The 650R makes much less power than the 800, but has a lighter flywheel and likes to rev. Fun. The F800 is a snoozer to ride, they seemingly tuned it to feel like a boxer motor, all torque and either the flywheel is real heavy or that high-tech counterbalancer is wasting energy. On paper, the F800 makes more power and is, when measured objectively, faster.

    I don't care, I just want a fun bike. :dunno

    If the power from the little 500 comes on nicely and it revs freely and happily, I'll consider it. Hard to tell things things by peak power at WFO on a dyno chart.
  18. Jimmy the Heater

    Jimmy the Heater Tilting the Horizon

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    I understand totally about the F800 vs the Ninja 650 motor. Would pick the 650 Kawi motor any day of the week.

    I'm hoping these new 500's feel like the Kawi 650 and not the Kawi 500 tho. Had a Ninja 500 and while it made enough power for sure, I hated the character of the engine. The 650 is worlds better.
  19. scooterspirit

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    Probably has decent poke around town @30 ft lbs torque, almost twice the ninja300. The appeal to me is- it rides like a Honda, and gets the best mpg.
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  20. Gryphon12

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    At 41 Nm peak torque for the CB500's, and 27 Nm for the 300R, the new Ninja has 66% of the peak torque of the Honda. [A 50% step up to the Honda or a 34% step down to the Ninja.] That's almost a direct relationship to the displacement difference (296cc is 63% of 470cc). The difference in tuning for HP isn't quite so simple.

    I'm waiting to see direct comparisons from the same riders on the same streets on the same day.