2013 Honda CBR500R and CB500F

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by DOUBLE-O G, Sep 13, 2012.

  1. bungie4

    bungie4 Frostback

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    I've just sold my CBR250R because I purchased a CRF250L. I loved the little 250 and I really can see myself with the new 500.

    That being said, Hell for Leather Magazine has published some specs 'from a well placed source within Honda'. I'm going from memory here, but the bike weighs 430lbs wet and has precisely 49.7 HP and approx 20ft/lbs of torque to comply with Euro graduated licensing standards.

    While thats significantly better than the 250's power output, the extra 75lbs causes some concern. If it retains the 250's 'character' and fuel economy, it'll be a winner, as the 250 is a seriously fun bike to ride. But I wouldn't expect Duke level performance out of it if that's what ppl are hoping for.

    Hell the SV650 is only 15lbs more and makes something like 65hp.

    Time'll tell.
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  2. Grainbelt

    Grainbelt marginal adventurer Super Moderator

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    The specs are within spitting distance of the old air-cooled '93 Suzuki GS500 that I had as a first bike. Have we come no further in 20 years?
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  3. Gryphon12

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    There is a minimum weight and price to produce any motorcycle. The new Honda will be within spitting distance of all the 650 twins, old and new, in price and weight - it's economics and physics. It is why, until the really bad economy, there has been no middle-weight class in the US. It made more sense (and cents) to spend just a little more and buy a 600cc supersport with a lot more performance - and less weight. Now, with much better fuel economy and the resulting modest power output, and almost similar weight, maybe a middle class will sell in North America. (The real arguement for this motorcycle, however, is in Europe [tiered licensing] with expansion markets into Asia and South America, and perhaps Australia.)

    My baseline for comparison is the SV650S. The measured specs (Sportrider) for the 2004 Suzuki SV650S (2nd gen, FI) show 372 lbs. dry, 428 lbs. wet, 70.9 hp (crank) and 45.1 ft-lbs. (crank), with an 4.5 gallon tank and fuel economy of 50/37/44 mpg US (hi/lo/avg).

    The new Honda will have to demonstrate the trade-off between hp and fuel economy (e.g. fuel economy needs to be 60+ mpg US, like a BMW) or it is dead on arrival.

    At an intermediate price point, the suspension will be budget - the current downfall of ALL middle-weights. The EX-250, EX-300, EX-650, SV-650, GSX-650F, FZ6-R all need a much better suspensions (and better brakes). But that would miss the price point. That's why a Triumph Street Triple R is $10k (and gets barely 40 mpg US).

    The old YZF-600R (Thundercat in Europe) really was a great compromise for its day. Priced under the YZF-6R, it weighed 412 lbs. dry, 485 lbs. wet with a 5.0 gallon tank, fully adjustable suspension, 31.7 " seat height, 90 hp, 45 ft-lbs, and 45 mpg average with a great sport-touring riding position, full saddle and great fairing. A little more expensive, yes. Some who rode it hard had transmission problems - a definite issue. But the package was great. It died because it was too close in price to the YZF-6R and it weighed too much compared to the 600cc Supersport class of its day. You just can't have it all in one package.

    If the YZF-600R was made today, with FI instead of carbs, I'd buy it at 90% of the price of the current YZF-6R. But that's just me. What I'll end up doing is either buying a new twin (maybe the Honda) and replacing the entire front end and rear shock, or putting a fairing on a Triumph Street Triple R and living with the poor fuel economy / range.
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  4. RaY YreKa

    RaY YreKa Palanquins RTW

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    Not with Euro legislation.

    Btw, in another thread I was talking about restricted bikes, and I think Cortez mentioned that any bike can be restricted (true), but I'm also reading that the 2013-on Euro regs stipulate that the bike mustn't be restricted from a bike with more than double the bhp/power-to-weight.

    In other words, this completely explains why Triumph's 800 Tiger (94 bhp, full power) doesn't fall foul of the rules, whereas restricting a Yamaha R6 would.

    In fact, in Europe, riding an R6 under the age of 24 will essentially be verboten unless the rider passes an extra test.
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  5. saltspray

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    I really like the idea of the CB500...not so much the CBR250/500. I see bodywork as a pain..and only tolerated on basically a race bike.
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  6. Gryphon12

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    Saltspray, we are all informed by our environment and our surroundings.

    Try living north of the Mason-Dixon line, or above 3,000 ft msl. Bodywork isn't just for aerodynamics at the track. Protection from wind and weather are often essential for those of us in wetter, colder climates.

    I've ridden naked bikes for most of my 40+ year riding career. I love riding behind a moderately-sized fairing in the Pacific Northwest.
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  7. dogjaw

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    The CB definitely has my attention, if it is a "finished" bike; of the last three Hondas to catch my eye, only the CRF250 looks like the designers didn't nod off in the middle of the job... The CBR250 and the NC700 have great points, until the suspension or brakes. If the CB is as quality built as the 599, 919, or even the Nighthawk 750, I will probably gave to forego my usual method of buying used and scoop one of these up fresh off the boat...
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  8. strongbad

    strongbad Been here awhile

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    I'm really glad that Honda is giving us mid-sized bikes again. I'm not digging the weight, though. But that's OK. I hope these two are such huge sales successes that other manufacturers give us more choices in this category.
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  9. saltspray

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    I see your point although I think you're talking more about a front fairing windscreen where I was talking about cosmetic side panels. I should have clarified. I've always wanted to get out to WA/OR...I hear it's gorgeous out there.
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  10. DiabloADV

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    Those side panels do a nice job of keep direct wind/rain off the legs. They're actually functional.
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  11. DOUBLE-O G

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    Is it November 15 yet? I'm dying to see more of this bike. I'm probably going to be the first one to put a deposit on one. The Milan Show just can't come soon enough.
    I hope it comes in the same red as the 2013 CBR250 but I'll take a white one too. My guess is a retail at $5,699 or $5,799. Halfway between the CBR250 and the NC700X.
    Anyone noticed how 3 bottles of water were strategically placed in the so called spy shot?
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  12. DOUBLE-O G

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    It's a cool looking bike! I love the looks.
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  14. kraven

    kraven Hegelian Scum

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    I like it too. Looks promising for Honda.
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  15. Bugz

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    Really looking forward to the reviews! Very curious what this thing will do regarding fuel consumption.

    Would be the R or the X version for me. Probably the R for the fairing.
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  16. RaY YreKa

    RaY YreKa Palanquins RTW

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    Interesting.

    Is the CB500X different enough from the 700X?

    It will be a smidge faster, is that enough?
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  17. Bugz

    Bugz Been here awhile

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    They both have around 48 hp. 500 will probably a little bit faster due to lower gearing and a larger RPM range.

    Both will be good bikes I guess. The 500 will be a bit more fun to ride in a spirited manner I think
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  18. scooterspirit

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    I don't think those bikes have shifters on them, both those guys are looking at their feet, going these tucking bikes don't have no shifters on them.
    I don't care I'm getting one, look, they already attracted some chicks :evil. That r version does look like it's going to be fun.
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  19. tastroman

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    Luv the idea of choices in the 500cc range, I just wish the X did not have that beak. Man I'm starting to hate those things. Function over form I guess.
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  20. Mobiker

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    I've thought beaks looked silly from the get go. I don't think they have any "function". I think they're intended to look like the high fender on a dirt bike and give the impression of ruggedness and off road prowess, i.e. looks over function.
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