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Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by cabanza, Sep 13, 2012.
Probably both, but less so then the 700, which is also.. both.
I don't miss the revs on my 700 at all,there is sooo much torque at 2,000+ rpms that it's a hoot around town!!.
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Sounds like it's time to overthrow your government.
No kiding! Hitler would be proud. Don't know what country he's from but, WOW!
I havn't read the new legislation regarding the technical aspects of the A1 and A2 categories but to me it's quite obvious you arn't going to be allowed to get more power out of them if that's the whole reason for those A1 and A2 driver licenses (A1 = 125cc, 11kw and A2 = 35 kw, any displacement, though original power isn't allowed to be more than 70kw)
I think you will be allowed to put a akropovic bla bla bla onto it, as long as it's CE approved (which goes for any motorbike). Don't pin me on it though.
*edit* I don't agree with the new european A1, A2 & A category driver licences. Especially the way the dutch government has implemented is way beyond ignorant. Under 24 you HAVE to get a A1 category first, 2 years later you can take a new test for A2 and 2 years after that you can finally take a new test for a full power drivers license.
Getting a driver license is quite a bit more difficult here anyway. The average car student needs about 35 - 40 hours of 'classes' by a professional driver instructor.
Traffic deaths are pretty low though, so all those instructions do pay off. The new motorbike licenses won't save any lifes I think, and the motorcycle associations don't believe it will either.
Spent the day on a rental 2013 Honda CBR 500 R. It has been on sale here in Thailand for the last 2 months. Price out the door is $7000. Some thoughts on the bike. Plus------It will do over 100 MPH, At 50-65 MPH mountain/freeway riding two up, 80 MPG. Engine RPM's at 60 MPH are 4500 RPM's. Good intrumentation & easy to read. Quality finish. Comfortable riding position & plenty of room for 2 up. Should get 280 miles on a full tank. Minus----Very noticeable engine vibration above 6500 RPM's, won't notice much if you keep speed below 85 or so. Heat from engine/radiator is forced over legs making it very uncomfortable, due to fairing. Don't think this will be a problem on the F or X models. Any F or X riders out there, let us know.
Are you sure about that?
We have the same thing, but you only take your exams once, depending
on your age, and if you had a car licence before or not.
You can, for example.. get a car licence at the age of 18.. then decide you
want a motorcycle. You'd get the A1 at that time, that'll upgrade to A2
when you're 20, and then to full "A" when you're 24.
However, if you don't take your motorcycle exame until your.. let's say,
23.. you'll get A2.. which will automatically turn into the full A when you
First bold re: revs - That's amazing. 6th gear is probably an overdrive or close,
just like on the NC700. That's the same revs I had on my 650R (which has
50% more power).
Second bold re: vibrations - That's EXACTLY what I said would happen in
this and other threads when people asked me why I consider the NC700
to be a better choice.
It vibrates because of the 180 deg. crank, and that drove me crazy on
my 650R. Can't be as bad on a smaller engine, but still, all things equal,
I'd get the 700 just because of the 270 crank. Screw the weight difference,
the bike feels 100lbs lighter then it is.
Absolutely sure. For every new 'class' of license you have to take a new exam.
If you get a A1 license (under age of 24) it will never become a 'full' license. The only way to obtain a full license instantly is when you're 24+ so you can take the 'A' exam. That's quite a bit of money for every new license (probably between 150- 300 euro's each time your taking an exam)
Our government is currently looking into options so you can get a A2 license at the age of 20 without obtaining A1 first. I'd prefer if they would just get rid of the 125cc A1 class and make A2 available from 18 years old.
Don't get me wrong. I ride a CBR250R myself which I think is perfectly safe at the highway as long as you understand you have car like acceleration above 70 mph. Modern 125cc just have too low of a power output to go on the highway with strong headwinds in mah opinion.
125's are perfectly sane for backroad and cityriding obviously. And I guess it isn't such an issue as I think it is.
People travel the world on Honda cub's A 125 should feel like the star trek enterprise compared to those.
My marks on harmonic vibrations wern't that high, though I can't see how a 180 crank should have different harmonic distortins compared to a 270 crank. They should have equal free forces and free moments (figured they have the same amount of countershafts and they are placed according to their crankshafts).
The parallel twin of the NC 700 is just really cultivated. I think if it had a 180 crank it would vibrate as much as it does now.
Reason a V-motor compared to a parralel twin (which has a 270 crank) has less vibrations is (I think) because the pistons are actually removing free forces from eachother. A V-motor is naturally better balanced.
I could be wrong on some points.
I'll try look that up this week if I find a few hours, should be interesting.
I'd go with the 700 as well. Only thing I really don't like is the filler placement but many people already said that with the right strap on thingies it's a non issue. The 700 should be a 300K motor.
That's probably why it's over 800 euros here.
I don't think these have been linked yet:
Fuel mileage is disappointing on the R. Roland only got 55 imp (45.8 US).
As I stated earlier, the 500 in the regular journo's hands will probably be
more thirsty then the 700 since they tend to trash everything, and the
700 gives zero fux to trashing in regards to MPG changes.
I'm sure they can have the same MPGs nevertheless if ridden normally,
and up to about 75.
Thanks for the review from thailand. Now I dont really know which bike to get. Haha
John McGuiness is going to be running a CBR500R at the IoM Lightweight TT.
His team think they can get 85bhp out of the engine, which they say is heavily restricted in stock form.
Of course, that's down on the 100bhp tuned ER6f kawasakis (650R) that tend to dominate the class.
Exactly why I bought my NC700X!
My BMW F800ST was Lucifer's own paint shaker, and was utterly intolerable. I knew from the start, when it blew every bulb on it, inc. 3 headlights before a few months were over, that it was going to be no fun. The second time the sidestand fell off while riding and the bloody fairing brackets stay bolts went AWOL again, I had already seen the writing on the wall.
Which isn't to say the Exxon Valdez oil spewing leaks catching fire, the continually failing parts and electronics, the massive paint peeling and corrosion, the terrifying camchain death rattle etc., weren't all screaming: "Get thee away, spawn of Satan!" :eek1
But that's another story.
It's interesting how little the F800 vibrations get mentioned actually,
but I can't imagine them since I've never ridden one, and I could live
with the 800R or GT..
The 180 crank on my 650R was a horror, needed rubber mounting etc
which my 2007 didn't have.
The 270 crank on the 700X is spot on.
F800 has some other deal, right?
If I remember correctly both pistons go up and down at the same time?
Quite so; a 360* arrangement, but with a (pretty neat idea I must admit, but for my particular bike it obviously didn't work...) third connecting rod on the horizontal plane, and a pivoting set up to theoretically equal the mass/throw of the two vertical pistons.
Up until the F800, I'd had many Honda and Yamaha 180* twins, but they were all awesome, plenty of dual counter balancers and so on.
None of my single cyl bikes ever vibrated like the 800 did, either.
BMW, allegedly, tried to engineer-in some boxer vibe to the 800 series.
But it's all in the eyes, or hands, of the beholder.
I've ridden some big I4s that made me stop after 2 hours because my outer fingers were numb.
Not a deal breaker, for me; there's an engine under your arse, after all, and it's going to make some stuff shake.
THe T-max for example has a "fake" 3rd piston with the mass of the other
two combined, going the opposite way, the "active" pistons are probably 360 deg too..
That engine has _no_ vibrations.
It's electric smooth.
Not to steal the thread but.. is the F800 a pain at all revs or is there a "band"?
My 650R was fine up to 6000 or so.