2013 Honda Metropolitan

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by Noreaster, Apr 25, 2012.

  1. Noreaster

    Noreaster Fat and Cuddly again

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    That is a very nice looking little scooter. It's got fuel injection! A genuine Honda selling at $1999? Is there any room for the likes of Kimco, the Buddy or ANY other non-chinese 50cc scooter (with the posable exception of the Super 8 2t and, of course the Aprillia and Vespa 50's which are both much more expensive but both are also much more Italian)? AND you can get them at 1.9% financing! Seems like the end of the story for the other 50's, no?
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  3. Noreaster

    Noreaster Fat and Cuddly again

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    Oh, please explain what the other Japanese manufactures have to offer that makes the $2500 price tags worth it or how a $1900 bike from Korea or Tiwan is a better value than a "genuine" Honda product (wherever it's made). The things that we have beat Honda over the head about on the M/C side of the house: strange styling cues, lack of innovation and above all, unreasoned over-pricing, seem to have all fallen by the wayside with the new Metro. Is there a hidden "downside" to this bike?
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  4. btcn

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    Wow, $1,999? EFI? Damn, thats ain't bad!

    You do relize, of course though, theres always plenty hidden dealer fees, taxes, etc? More like $2,500 or more out the door. Still a decent price.
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  5. Nevada

    Nevada Been here awhile

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    IF all Honda did was add EFI, then it's still going to have a major shortcoming relative to the competition. Weak and gutless. Not in an absolute sense (because of course it's weak and gutless being a 50cc 4 stroke), but weak and gutless compared to other quality 50cc scoots.

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    The Ruckus is $1999 too, but youd be hard pressed (around here anyway) to pull one out of the dealer for less than 3k...

    To answer your question, keep in mind that many "Japanese" bikes are, and have been built in Taiwan. SYM built hundreds of thousands of "Hondas" and still do for sale in other (now for non US) markets. The Yamaha Vino is Taiwan built too...look at the vin plate.

    But the Taiwanese brands like KYMCO, PGO (Buddy here in the US) sold under their own names/derivatives almost exclusively have double the standard warranty periods of their Japanese competitors...2 yr. vs. 1yr. Why is that?

    BTW-KYMCO also manufactures the engines used in the BMW G650gs, and Sertao dual sport bikes with a standard 36 month warranty. You probably already knew that.

    Parts for the Taiwanese brands are typically cheaper (anyone who has owned a Honda or other Japanese brands know how proud they can be with the parts prices) and have made major inroads in their distribution meaning nearly every dealer of a major Japanese brand, also carries a Taiwanese-manufactured brand....Genuine, KYMCO, or Genuine. As these companies are less demanding of their dealers than their Japanese competitors making it easier and more profitable business for their dealers, who are able to pass that value along to their customers.

    Im glad you like the new Metro, but for that same 1999 msrp you get say a SYM-built Lance Cali-Classic 125, and not be stuck riding a 50cc scooter in the bike lane.

    Truth be told, you could probably get within a few bucks of a Buddy 125 when comparing the real OTD price of that Metropolitan, and the Buddys are a much easier resale, with a phenominal reputation and the ability to 60+mph. But its also a matter of taste.

    In the end, just like you asked if the Metropolitan will put other 50cc out of the running, "NO", as there's an ass for every seat and there are compelling reasons to look at other scooters in and around that price range for those looking for the most bang for their buck. Many will find just that, after having come to grips with the fact that 1999 doesn't always mean 1999.

    That may not be you, if your heart is set on the Metro...go for it!

    But thats not going to take other worthy competitors out of the equation.
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  7. DudeClone

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    the other Japanese makers, or even Honda for that matter, don't really care about the US scooter market. so the offerings from them will be slim and none.

    this 50cc Honda 'Met is a good scooter, but EFI is its only advantage over a 50cc from Taiwan. and EFI for those are in the pipeline. and thank you Honda for the EFI, all the while carrying on with a front drum brake. where is the value for the scooterist, there?

    i can walk into a Genuine dealer and get a 50cc Buddy for around $2350OTD no questions asked, no negotiating over fees, no up sell. yes they are currently 2 strokes still, and have carbs. but they also have a 2 year warranty rather then 1, and it is unlimited and comes with roadside assistance. it is a bigger scooter (good for taller people such as myself) and is no different then the 125, 150, or 170 Buddy in that regard. it has more storage space, its more fun to ride, has better acceleration and top speed.... you get the picture

    i mean if you want EFI because of cold starts and what not, or altitude? thats fine. and Honda makes a good scooter. but its not the only scooter

    some Honda dealers will sell these close to what you can get a Buddy 125 for. $800-$1000 dollar mark ups are not uncommon at powersport dealerships. my dealer only marks his scooters up $300 and will usually waive some or all of it if an offer is made

    value? a 125cc from Taiwan for the same and less money at the dealer is a better value then a 50cc Honda. even with EFI, and certainly with a drum brake. liquid cooling? meh, its a 50cc scooter. could prob get a 150cc Kymco for less money. with a longer warranty. thats value

    the only thing the Taiwan makes have going against them is the dealer network. in almost every other way imo they still provide the best value in this price segment simply because you can get more for the money, and its more then good enough. as the scooters move up in cc size the lines begin to blur more, but at this price its obvious to me better values are out there in the $2000 segment if accessible (dealer location)

    now if you want a little 50cc scooter with a front drum brake and that suits your needs, great. if not a person can't go wrong by looking around at what else is available for their hard earned money. these are all MSRP'd the same. plenty of room for everybody imo

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    And THIS small "big" scooter for $1800 is FAR more fun to ride. if riding scooters is what you like to do, and you must do it in traffic, the 'Met cannot compete for value. this is a fact. and so your needs are paramount. this isn't mine btw. mine looks far better then this pos (hope its not yours lol ) but this is possible. and i can get three bags of groceries under the seat. gallon of milk, dozen eggs, lots of stuff. much less the rack and bag hook.

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    i ride all over greater los angeles. is not going to happen on a 'Met. not for me. if for you, great. but i doubt it. i mean up hills and 50mph roads where we are all pushing 60mph, and all that

    the 'Met is a deal breaker there. or at least it's 50cc. i won't be subjective and say the Agility is more fun to ride, too. but i am guessing....
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  8. thunderkat59

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    As mentioned, Honda scoots are sourced to a number of vendors.
    But its all what you want, I suppose. A Metro is going to be a reliable
    work scooter, but modding parts are not that many. a 2t Taiwanese
    scoot is the new VW Beetle. Plenty of modding parts, 45+mph with
    good reliability is cheap to attain. I paid 1200 for my Eton III.
    Its been a great scoot and 43, right out of the box. If I was going to
    1999.00 for a scoot, I would probably look at a Kymco or Sym
    125 first. ITs all good though, whatever you like.
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  9. JerseyBiker

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    IMO the Met is ugly. Many other 50cc scoots ring my bell much more. Others must feel the same. So, that alone will keep the other manufacturers selling.

    Also, even aside from that, many folks like the big wheel 50cc scoots like the People by Kymco..
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  10. Photog

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    The Met is a nice scoot, no doubt, and I'm sure it's going to meet the needs of a bunch of buyers in terms of what it is and how much it costs.

    But it's not necessarily the defacto choice.

    If I had to buy another 50 as a fun/project/commuter I'd be all over a Ruckus, and would probably dump stupid amounts of money into it just because I love them.

    But aside from that, I'd be looking at Kymco or Genuine, since I've had products from both companies.

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  11. thunderkat59

    thunderkat59 Cooter on a scooter

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    I love that Super 9 :beer Best color for it, too !
    I wish Kymco didnt kill it off for the ugly Super 8.

    I wish I could find a NOS LC 9'r :thumb
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    Thanks! It's a nicely-built bike.

    I did a little ride report with it a few years ago.
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  13. Noreaster

    Noreaster Fat and Cuddly again

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    Well, what we are looking for is a50cc for the Spouse. She has a little TTR that she rides around the Compound but the 4-limb at a time thing was "too much" for her on the street and she's not interested in the whole license project if she's not going to like any street riding, so and 125 is out, for the time being.

    Several good points though, especially about the People. The bigger wheels might give her more of a "Motorcycle" feel if she wanted to move up later on. And yes, I know Kymco builds for others. All the companies build and source and from all over the place. Saying a Honda is Japanese is like saying a Harley is American. Maybe even less so!

    Personally, I can't justify a 50cc scooter. It seems like any situation in which a Fiddy would be practical, a bicycle would work just as well, be healthier and get even better milage!
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  14. DudeClone

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    ^ I feel the same way about 50cc scooters. i sort of resent them a little lol. i mean, a 50cc? really? but they sell 'em and people buy 'em

    and so back to the 'Met. which i do like and know is a top quality scooter. and if i wanted one and it was practical for me i would buy one in a fast second. but i am too tall / big. fine, not for me. its a bit pricier for what you get. thats ok if it suited me. BUT even if it were PERFECT for me in each and every way....the 50 is still a deal breaker :(

    Kymco has a 100cc Sento and i think it may work its way to the U.S. are you listening, Honda? :)

    still too small for me, though :cry
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    thunderkat59 Cooter on a scooter

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    I guess its one of those things you have to experience for yourself . . .
    It's all relative. A 50 in the city or cramped urban area is an extreme blast to ride :D
    Its a whole different, momentum based style of riding that requires a little more/different thought process.
    Once mastered, you will not understand why more people dont do it.
    If you look at my Sig, you can see I might know bikes, and even have Burgman 400, but the 50 is
    the King of the Hill in the city.
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  16. tortoise2

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    Include the Tomos Twister 50 produced by Sym China in your research. NOT fuel injected, but at least it has a front disc brake, side kick stand, and a rear carrier rack.

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  17. Noreaster

    Noreaster Fat and Cuddly again

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    Oh, never mind. In this state there is a chance that she'll have to register her 50cc moped as a "limited use" motorcycle and have to have an "M" endorsement on it. You find out IF you need this WHEN yo go to register it. This, of curse, defeats the entire exercise and, thusly we are no longer in the market for a Fiddy. Ergo, no sales tax on it and no registration fee of any nature on it. No potential for her to take a MSF class, no potential fee for her endorsement, no potential sale of a Motorcycle or registration or insurance for that...

    lets see.

    Scooter: 2000
    Sales tax 134
    Moped Reg 40
    Motorcycle 8000x 2-3 times
    Sales taxes 1060 (assume 2 bikes only)
    Insurance 800x20 years
    Registrations 50x20 years
    Inspections 30x 20 years

    Total NOT put into the economy: 36,834 (very conservative estimate)

    Good choice RMV guys, good choice.......
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    For others curious . . MassDOT Moped Definition . . Limited Use Vehicle . . PDF List
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    $1999 for a 50cc scooter is supposed to be a good deal??? I'm sure that will be $2500-$3000 OTD. I paid $2200 OTD for my Kymco Super 8 150. I paid $3744 OTD for an Aprilia Sport City 250 with fuel injection.

    I don't get the attraction of genuine Honda. Most of the Honda bike dealers around me are places I really don't want to do business. The Kymco dealer in Huntsville is a far better place to do business and I'd buy another scooter from them in a heartbeat. Kymco's warranttee is twice as long and they have a much better selection of scooters than Honda does here in the USA. The Aprilia dealer in N. GA is even better and far better than ANY Japanese dealer I have ever dealt with.

    On top of everything else, Honda insists on putting linked brakes on their scooters which mean that I doubt I will ever buy a Honda scooter. Brakes are something I don't want to compromise on.

    Personally, I would take a Kymco, Sym, Genuine, Piaggio, or Aprilia over any new Honda scooter.
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    I live in Mass as well, and travel all over the state for work. I have yet to see a 49cc scoot that wasn't registered as a moped.
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