I always liked Motorcycle Consumer News as the info seems pretty accurate. If no one has read this one, it is informative and compares with the BMW Sertao. http://www.mcnews.com/mcn/model_eval/2013JanTR650.pdf BMW does own the engine design. Loncin is their vendor, producing the engines under license for BMW. Their agreement allows for Loncin to manufacture the engines for BMW and Loncin to use the engine for its internal market only. http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/N...12/October/oct1312-loncin-uses-g650gs-engine/ I hope the bike continues, but never really understand why BMW allowed it to do so at that price. But at least all the profit, if any, went into the same corporate pocket. Stranger things have happened, maybe BMW will allow the sales of the engines to KTM even if it is allowing a competitor to under sell them with a better product. I know it bores some people, but Loncin manufactured 2.5 MILLION motorcycles for its intermal use last year. Bajaj close to 1 MILLION. That is where the money is.