2013 Husqvarna 650 Terra

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by grunkster, Sep 11, 2012.

  1. itsatdm

    itsatdm Long timer

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    I always liked Motorcycle Consumer News as the info seems pretty accurate. If no one has read this one, it is informative and compares with the BMW Sertao. http://www.mcnews.com/mcn/model_eval/2013JanTR650.pdf

    BMW does own the engine design. Loncin is their vendor, producing the engines under license for BMW. Their agreement allows for Loncin to manufacture the engines for BMW and Loncin to use the engine for its internal market only. http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/N...12/October/oct1312-loncin-uses-g650gs-engine/

    I hope the bike continues, but never really understand why BMW allowed it to do so at that price. But at least all the profit, if any, went into the same corporate pocket.

    Stranger things have happened, maybe BMW will allow the sales of the engines to KTM even if it is allowing a competitor to under sell them with a better product.

    I know it bores some people, but Loncin manufactured 2.5 MILLION motorcycles for its intermal use last year. Bajaj close to 1 MILLION. That is where the money is.
  2. Adv Grifter

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    One possibility could be that BMW had a long term contract with Loncin for the Husky motors. Rather than cancel this contract and face litigation ... or a big payout, they simply "assigned" the contract to the new owner ... Pierer AG. This is pretty common in business, means a smoother transition with no further litigation.

    Once that Loncin contract expires it will be up to Pierer AG/Bajaj/KTM, et al to decide what to do. Do they bring the motor in house to India? Use same design ... or start over? Bring it to KTM in Austria? ... or continue to manufacture in Loncin and re-new the contract. It's possible BMW's deal may have caveats preventing this last bit ... who knows? If I were Pierer, continuing production at Loncin would be my first choice.
  3. itsatdm

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    We can discuss all the maybes in the world. Pierre, KTM and Bajaj all stated the same business plan. Spread design, production, parts, and service cost over a range of marques and models. One of those engines does not look like the others.:rofl
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    Could there be a TR690 in the future? If it could get 50 MPG that would be a nice upgrade. Seems like people always want a little more power.
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    Don'tthey always. :lol3

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  6. Ogre_fl

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    From the sounds of the new Duke 690, I would think that is the motor they would use if the TR series continue.
    Not only more power, but less weight and still 55 mpgs.

    http://www.enduro360.com/2013/02/20/products-tested/2013-ktm-690-duke-review/
  7. Adv Grifter

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    The 690 motor would be a great choice ... if KTM are willing to cross pollinate equipment over different marques.

    But somebody still has to cover parts and warranty for the Loncin motor in current Terra/Strada bikes. I don't who holds that responsibility ... I'm guessing all liability has been transferred over to Pierer AG/KTM/Bajaj.

    Using the 690 would mean Pier AG would not have to start from scratch on a 650 replacement for the Loncin/BMW/Husky motor. But my guess is the 690 motor costs 3 times what the Loncin motor currently costs. Enter the Bean Counters. :lol3
  8. ducnut

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  9. Cruz

    Cruz Lost but laughing.

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    Reading all the Terra threads seems to show that the #1 selling point about this bike is its initial price point.
    #2 is the motor, its smoothness, mpg and wide ratio box.

    I can't see how a current 690 motor helps in relation to any of those things. :ear

    Maybe the new motor will be a lot better in the Enduro as well?
  10. jigmoore

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    picking mine up tomorrow.

    is everyone pretty much paying MSRP for them? ($6999)
  11. davorallyfan

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    I would not touch the 690 I am happy with the sooped BMW engine in my Terra. It might be down on power than the 690 but is is so sweet. I can do distance on it.
  12. Adv Grifter

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    This Comparo is not yet posted on line, probably in a few weeks.

    The Terra got decidedly mixed reviews in this latest Comparo. CW took a weird mix of bikes and screwed up a number of things (IMHO), but surprisingly even Jimmy Lewis was critical of the Terra. They used this weird survivalist post apocalyptic theme to underscore the whole test.
    Nonesense, IMHO.

    Bikes tested and how they finished:
    1. KLR650
    2. KTM 990 Baja
    3. Yamaha R1200 Tenere
    4. TR650 Terra
    5. T800XC Tiger


    A few Key quotes:

    Jesse Ziegler (Dirt Rider staff writer)
    " ... The KLR is really easy to ride off road ... despite rubber covered footpegs, it's really a dirt bike chassis and feels like one".

    Editor:
    "Not far behind, but much less confidence inspiring, was the Husky."
    (refers to ON ROAD behavior)

    Jimmy Lewis:
    " ... The TR's handling is a bit awkward. The bike has lot of weight on the front wheel and feels unstable at high speed." (Lewis's comment refers to ON ROAD handling, not off road)

    Further comments deride the Terra for lack of weather protection and highway capability at speed and short range. They had cold weather and sounds like they'd rather be on Gold Wings than dual sports. The KLR rated high everywhere, a huge surprise to me, having owned one. It out did the Terra every where but in deep sand and more technical rocky tracks.

    But remember the theme of this "Comparo" was a sort of ridiculous post apocalyptic theme, with a survivalist tone, IMHO, not a valid way to pick a good dual sport ... but hey, I guess that gets the ratings. :lol3

    The Terra rated next to last. Here are some final comments:
    Just a few more modifications would have vaulted the TR650 into the mix.
    "It's a dirtbike wth blinkers and luggage - sort of," said Ziegler. "It was like cheating in the sand and rocks. It's maneurverable and fun and makes a really good dual sport bike, but in this comparison, its on-road shortcomings stood out too much. It's not a survival bike. "

    My personal view is that staff need to grow a pair! :lol3

    In terms the getting through the Mojave (where I've ridden since age 14)
    I'd pick the Terra every time. As a RTW bike? Dunno. Loncin motor is still unproven.

    The KTM rated high everywhere yet came in 2nd to the KLR because it's high tech nature did not jive with the theme of the comparo. Stupid, IMO.

    Anyway, there it is. It is, IMO, a poorly done article of little value. Just thought you guys would need something to reinforce that the press does not always get it right. :D
  13. Blaise W

    Blaise W Been here awhile

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    Oh well, I guess it's time to sell my Terra; and I was so happy with it!
  14. jigmoore

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    Lol
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    hambone650rider Been here awhile

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    That's funny as hell I spit diet coke all over myself.
  16. East Coast Rider

    East Coast Rider Just Me...

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    I love my Pig ('02 KLR650), but this contrived little comparo made me

    :poser

    Soon enough, Safariland or IMS will make a big tank for it, and Brittania Composites will make an aftermarket fairing. Voila! Perfect ADV bike :D
  17. wolftrax

    wolftrax Been here awhile

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    I've owned every bike with the exception of the KTM on that list. I currently own the Husky and a KLR, The Husky beats the crap out of the KLR off road and leaves it in the dust on road. As posted above a bigger tank and a BC fairing and it just might be perfect for this old fart, There is something to be said for the Gen 1 KLR's, cheap to own, operate, and maintain.
  18. klxmack

    klxmack king of the box

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    Ok, the question to ask is how many Kawasaki ads did you see in this issue?
    Bet you there was no husky ads either.

    It's bad business to critique your paying clients.
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    I dropped Cycle World, a couple years ago. There has to be a reason their editors/writers don't stick around.
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    What is this "Cycle World" of which you speak?

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