2013 Husqvarna 650 Terra

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  1. bhorocks

    bhorocks Been here awhile

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    and here I am considering dropping my 950se for a 690 or 650... Cant make the decision... I like going fast.. thats my problem but want to drop some weight off the 950 and think the se is just overkill on dirt. great when you get to the street though.
  2. dman

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    Interesting points in the video, as everything I have read previously (and I haven't ridden either bike) has described the KTM 690 as smooth, at least in the Duke application. And the engine, plus pricing, seemed to be what tipped the scales towards the Husky in that review. KTM can change features and pricing, but they can't do much about the motor in the short term, and I assume they can't/won't continue using the BMW motor. So even if the continue to offer a TR-like bike, it will be different.

    -dman
  3. Adv Grifter

    Adv Grifter on the road o'dreams

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    The 690 is actually pretty smooth around 4K RPM. Way better than earlier 640 motors. Go to higher revs and it becomes vibey, no fun on a fast highway.

    If you review what the boys said you may pick up on a couple other things: They referred to the "quick revving" nature of the KTM, constant shifting compared to the Strada ... the guy said he hardly had to shift on the Strada.

    Both these elements further separate the KTM from the Husky ... for the average rider. A quick revving motor that must be constantly shifted is not the most mellow street or dual sport bike. The 690 still is, at heart, a race bike ... and that is why I SOLD both of mine.
  4. itsatdm

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    There may be a Terra or Strada once this sale is complete but to keep thinking it is goin to include a BMW owned engine is wishful thinking.

    BMW owns the design. Good old Peirre has stated his plan, Loncin has stated its contract with BMW and BMW is not going to give a competitor an engine that competes with its own bike.

    It is a great bike. Get them while you can. There is no 10 year promise of parts. The best you have in the US is covered by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson%E2%80%93Moss_Warranty_Act. 1 year.

    The Moss unit is proprietary to BMW.

    Bottom line is if you buy one, I would do it throught a BMW dealer. They have Moss and probably an inventory of parts that are unique to this model.
  5. George 99

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    Strada for me, now to find a dealer,,, probably 'Vegas.
  6. klxmack

    klxmack king of the box

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    You can now by a Powercommander and an Auto tune module and forget about Moss tuning altogether.


    Cheers
  7. mario33

    mario33 Howling around...

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    Unfortunately not quite... You surely needs that to clear 'service' indication and, much more importantly, possible 'error codes'. Sometimes, like in the case of dreaded 'EWS' if you dont do that - you just cannot start the motor (ECU prevents until error is cleared).

    However, bike is still kept serviceable by Husky, MOSS tool works and parts are going through....
  8. itsatdm

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    Maybe, I do not know enough to comment. What I learned from my BMW dealer was, that Moss was never made to just accomodate Husqvarna bikes.

    It has all the software and fixes for all BMW bikes, so it is not going anyware according to my dealer, whether they continue Husqvarna or not.

    Until the papers are signed, Husqvarna is still a BMW bike. In the US under Federal law the manufacture must provide service and parts for the length of the warranty. So the post about turning all that over to Pierre may be difficult to apply. I doubt every Husqvarna dealer has a Moss unit and doubt BMW will sell them one after the sale is complete to Pierre.

    If you look on the net and exclude motorcycle forums, Pierre has said a lot publicly.

    One thing I did not know was he had been bargaining with BMW starting in 10/12. He disagreed with the lineup of bikes and stated Husqvarna was losing 20,000,000 Euro a year because of it. I do not think it coincindental that BMW renewed their license agreement with Loncin in 10/12 to prohibit them from selling to anyone other than BMW or for internal Loncin use.

    It ain't the end of the world, in fact it may be an opportunity. Nothing that unusual about the bike except for modifications to the engine and software. The more I find out, the more I believe that at least BMW dealers that sell Husqvarna may have access to parts. Wether there is warranty coverage is another issue.
  9. George 99

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    Okay, now yur scaring me. BMW of Las Vegas has both Ts and Ss in stock,,, and they show the MSRP price. Could have one in a month or so if the all else works out. But don't wanna buy new something that won't be supported. Keep me posted.
  10. itsatdm

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    First of all the dealer can probably supply better info than me. Although as a couple of weeks ago mine was in the dark like everyone else. Pierrer did say he would have a plan for Husqvarna after Easter and promises some bikes by November. Whether he plans to share that is unknown.

    Even if it turns out to be an orphan bike, it does not mean all is lost. A good deal of it is based on the G650. The upper end is unique but consist of hard parts. How many times have you damaged a head, cams or piston?

    The electronics/ ECU concerned me because they are unique to this model. If the dealer assured me that the mapping and software would be available on the Moss unit, I would not worry about it too much.

    I expect a big dealer shake out over this. Mine was told by KTM that they would not allow him to keep Husqvarna without carrying the entire KTM line of bikes. That may be unique to our area as there are no KTM dealers within 90 miles but does bring up the possibility that BMW dealers won't be able to keep the marque. So much for the seperation between Pierrer's personal purchase and KTM. He does own both you know.
  11. kjackbrown

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    ...and law states that discontinued models must be supported by the manufacturer for a minimum of 10 years. :deal

    So, there will be parts available for a looooooong time :thumb
  12. itsatdm

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    Show me that law. :deal
  13. RidingDonkeys

    RidingDonkeys Purveyor of Awesome

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    The scuttlebutt is that Husky North America is now advertising $1000 off Strada, $800 off Terra, and $2500 off all other models. :evil

    I haven't seen it on paper, but it has been dealer confirmed by a few people.
  14. Grreatdog

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    I think he must be talking about automobile emissions parts warranty. For motorcycles the EPA warranty period is five years/30,000 kilometers. Which works out to less than 19,000 miles.

    http://www.epa.gov/otaq/standards/light-duty/motorcycles.htm
  15. itsatdm

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    I see that quoted a lot, so I have searched. I find a lot of opinions but no law other than the: Magnussen Moss warranty act and it certainly does not say that. Yes emissions are different.

    He could have waited a respectable time before posting that, after all I said it wasn't true just 6 post before.:rofl
  16. Blakebird

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    I bought a TE 630 which was a one year bike....no worries.

    I bought a TR650 Terra and have ZERO concerns about warranty, dealer support, or anything.

    You all worry too much. Potential buyers should jump at the chance to get one while they can, if indeed they aren't on the roster for next year.
    I'm betting they will be, in some form or another. Might have orange plastic on it :lol3
  17. RidingDonkeys

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    That alone will increase the price at least $1000. :lol3
  18. kjackbrown

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    My step sisters father owns the dealership. He told me.
  19. itsatdm

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    Good have him show the law. I would like to read it. If it is law it should not be that hard to find on the Internet. All you find are opinions, on both sides, including some that claim to be experts, I can't find it.


    Maybe it is buried in the magnussen Moss act. It is voluminous. I am usually pretty good at lookig up law. The only thing that I have found is under the law that created the National Highway Transportation Act has given them authority to ID safety hazards and issue recalls for repair or replacement. That law can go back 10 years.
  20. Yossarian™

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    We all know car dealers don't lie.

    No offence to your relation, but I'm from Missouri when it comes to this stuff.