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Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by grunkster, Sep 11, 2012.
21 front / 18 back for dirt
17 / 17 for pavement and graded dirt roads
~ 300 lbs dry weight with factory dual exhaust replaced..
Race Sag should be set the same for both bikes i.e. 30% of total travel. If your Terra is only compressing 12mm then spring rates are far far too stiff for you.
Looks like I had it wrong regarding thtravel. I thought the KLR had more then that. I recently did a 2000km ride with a KLR rider in Western Australia over some reasonably rough country. The KLR did it all, but the same suspenders on a lighter bike would certainly have done it easier
It might be that engineers tend to use a stiffer spring for two-rider bikes nowadays. I noticed my WR250R dual sport was much stiffer than my WR250F dirt bike - I bought a softer spring for my 170 lb weight to get the right amount of spring compression - works much better now. If a second rider isn't going to happen, yep, then get a spring that does the job right (if necessary). When I rode the Terra demo, I noticed the suspension seemed too stiff for my weight - hardly any compression when I sat on it - but I also had no idea how it was setup from the factory.
Forgive my ignorance, but they did stuff a beemer motor in the Husky TR650 chassis, wait its a Rotax, probably make in taiwan by kymco.
This is getting confusing. :
Your bikes are real purdy tho...
Give it some time before changing springs,the Huskys suspension is very stiff when new.My sag gained an inch after 5-6 hundred miles of rough rocky road.
If "dead-lifting the bike" is the chosen standard of comparison.....ride an Observed Trials bike!
Now then, I happen to know a thing or three about the WRR. It's a real fun bike in the woods, as you say.....until you ride a Husaberg FE390. :eek1. Makes that WRR suddenly feel rather KLRish. Blame Einstein for the Theory of Relativity, I'm only confirming it. How a bike feels in motion is the greatest concern to me.
My test ride of the Terra really surprised me, in this regard. On the roads, it felt quite effortless and weightless in motion. Very compact, nimble, & mortard-like....and solidly planted. The power-to-weight ratio was flirting in the magical zone. Enough to make me smile and then I sensed real potential here....where the things not easily changed (motor and frame geometry) seemed quite good.
I did not lay it over and try picking up the Terra, but I bet it's not as difficult as paper specs would imply. My F800GS, equipped to my personal specs) weighs 510 lbs (the heaviest on the scale of all DS bikes I've owned), yet is not difficult to pick up at all. Quite surprisingly so.
To keep with your line of comparison, my KLR was about 440 lbs and...well...just plain sucked to pick up. To put it kindly. Very top-heavy and stubborn. My 950 Adventure was downright deadly to pick up....the one and only time I did so. Swore I'd never do that again...and made good on it. My behemoth Goldwing (exceeding 800 lbs) was significantly easier to pickup from a nap than my 950.
Personally, I trust my feelings, and there were some good vibrations. Hhhmmm...I need another ride!
Sorry, but I disagree. The TE630 chassis is too good a DS to limit it with a 5-speed transmission. Sort the clutch and you are good to go as is. Everyone on all of the threads seems to feel the KTM 690e is superior as a DS, but I think this is only because the TE has been discontinued. I'll look for a TE/SMS next spring - still the best I've seen for 50/50 DS riding. Is it perfect? No. But better than the gremlin-riddled 690's.
Even if the Terra 5 speed covers a wider ratio than the 6 speed 610/630?
The bigger singles with so much torque do not nead closely spaced gears like other bikes, which is the big problem with the 690.
My 650 5 speed would easily keep pace low down with the 610 and outrun it on the highway. If a motor can handle 5 speeds easily, why put in a sixth gear?
For any kind of riding I wanted to do, I could drop or add a tooth on the front in a couple of minutes using the same chain with adjustment either way.
Klxmac, did you mead Booster Plug?
How many times do people need to post the same photos over and over and over and over etc in a thread? :eek1
But if the new TR's have the same transmission as the F650GS/Dakar, that is not the case. The F650's have a spread of 3.13; the TE610/630 is 3.40, with a better spread between for DS application. It is not just about top gear, or even 1st gear. This has been chewed to death already on other threads.
The combination, weight, chassis geometry, suspension, ground clearance, power, transmission, alternator, all contribute to the overall package. The TR's are perhaps 65/35 street/dirt. The TE's are 50/50. The 690e is more like 40/60. Take your pick for what you need or desire. I'm just sad that the TE's are gone, but I'll shut-up now.
Yeah Gryphon, I am basing the gears on the XChallenge, so they may be different.
I can understand you regretting the loss of the 630 etc, a different bike to the Terra. It is a pity they couldn't keep developing it further.
I dead lifted the bike at the dealer!! No kidding. Had the salesman there to make sure I wouldn't hurt it, LOL. HF, when you're 65 with a blown-out back, you will understand the need for a lighter bike...I, like a few of us, need to find a mount that can fit best for my individual needs - and weight is a big factor for some of us.
The reason I got rid of my KLR was the weight...no need for me to go through that expensive process again, no matter how fun the ride may be. I could lift the Terra off the ground, but it was a strain - fifty pounds less and I would have bought it.
So the wheels in top pic are 17"s. So 120 and 150 I assume and what tires are those and how do you like them?
I just realy like that wheel set-up.
Can we just move on! It is was it is. The bike is a new entry into the market. It is not a TE! It has as much potential as anyone is willing to to put into it. I own a 950 and a 610. I like them both. I have test rode a Terra and like it for the riding I do. I want to hear from the owners..........
I like the bike from what I've read so far.
Would be great for longer trips when hitting the slab is required.
I know it's already been said, but it's a shame it isn't more off road capable.
Everything else about the bike seems great.
But give it the " off road ability " of an XR650R - and the after market and this bike would sell like crazy.
I think by the end of 2013 some great stuff will be out for this bike and I know of one company developing a skid plate and other accessories for the bike.
This bike does appeal to me more than a KLR, mainly because of looks.
But less weight more power is great too.
I'd really like to see a video of someone putting the bike through it's paces off road, all I've seen so far is gravel roads and mild riding.
60% street, 40% dirt?
Movin on Gunnr! I am a new owner and a pleased one indeed. I have had two Terra's in fact. The first Terra was from the first batch to hit the states and exhibited a lot of the same lean conditions on the low side of the RPM's as you have read about here. A Wisconsin tourist totaled it.:dog
The second Terra, received one week ago from the second batch, does not at all have the same condition. It was sent from the motorcycle gods straight to me! I am a little guy and the bike is NOT too heavy, it does NOT need a sixth gear, and as stated above "it is NOT a TE". I wanted a bike like a TE, so I bought a TE250. I wanted a bike like the TR650, so I bought a TR650. Both bikes do exactly what the manufacturer said they would do...and very well.
This new, or "second batch", TR is smooth, powerful, and responsive. I am very familiar with the Rotax 650 and this Husky 650 is a whole new breed. With the addition of Dunlap D908's, the TR is brought to a whole new level. My heart pounds when I think about getting it back on the dirt roads. Monster rooster tails and a smooth drift are only a slight twist of the throttle away. I would have had to put thousands of $ into my old '07 GS650 to get this kind of performance out of it. I am EXTREMELY happy with my purchase!
Uh-oh....I'm already 50-something. My hour glass seems glued to the table. Reckon I better hurry along, then.
P.s. I really detest picking up any bike. Just sayin
I identify completely. My KTM 950 was a real struggle for me to pick up. Very often I needed to get help. Particularly in the mud or if the bars were down slope. Probably the reason is because it was not only very heavy, but very tall and unlike a BMW, laid flat on her side.
Even my KTM 690 is a little bit of a challenge because it also lays flat and is tall. I can do it, though with little drama or huffing and puffing.
I would guess the 650 Terra would be easier to pick up because it is shorter.
Yes, My bad. Booster Plug.