2013 Husqvarna 650 Terra

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by grunkster, Sep 11, 2012.

  1. dman

    dman Been here awhile

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    Obviously just speculation and perhaps wishful thinking, but I interpret the various press releases, interviews etc as saying that Husky will be positioned for volume and price to compete with the Japanese, but still focusing on dirt and SM, and presumably also dual sport. To me this suggests a VW vs Audi type relationship between Husky and KTM branded bikes. And also, singles only thus no Nuda or other pure street bikes.

    So whether it continues long term with the "BMW" engine, I would see a bike like the TR650 very much in the lineup, to compete against the DR650, Yam 660 and the KLR, with smaller DS or SM Huskies positioned against the CR250L, DRZ400 etc. And if they reflect KTM values with generally newer tech, including better suspension than the Japanese (but one notch below KTM) so much the better. It actually makes more sense than BMW's approach, whatever that was. Unrelated now to this Husky thread, but I'm also curious what this means for BMWs bike futures, noting the stated emphasis on urban mobility .... sounds like scooters to me, not S1000RR or R1200GS.

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  2. Mobiker

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    As you can see from my sig line I have an old BMW. It wasn't old when I got it - it just won't go away. Other bikes come and go and it just keeps hanging around. Obviously BMW did something I like, so I wasn't fazed by BMW's ownership of Husky or the direction they seemed to be going.

    I rather liked the TR models quite alot. One BMW/Husky dealer did wonder how many G650gs they were going to sell when the Terra was so good and lots cheaper.

    I don't know, but sometimes it seems like BMW corporate just has its collective heads up its collective asses.:muutt
  3. Adv Grifter

    Adv Grifter on the road o'dreams

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    Could be ... but once things settle out and recent Terra/Strada sales figures come in, I believe Pierer may change his tune. The Terra has the potential to make the KLR, DR, XR-L obsolete. It's not there yet but not far off.

    If Pierer intends to go racing Motocross ... we'll he may be biting off more than he can chew. He should know this given the LONG struggle KTM have been through to get near the top.

    On top of this ... the Japanese have over 2000 dealers in the USA (EACH)
    Most offer contingency money to amateur racers and teams. Can KTM afford to compete? :ear

    And for all those that follow such things ... Husqvarna have been involved in World Enduro (several championships), ISDE, GNCC, Desert series
    for years ... long before BMW purchased Husky.

    It will be a long road to be competitive in Moto and Super Cross. That is where the REAL money is. I wish them luck ... but IMHO the "new" Husky should focus on the Terra/Strada for now ... and building a true adventure bike (think mini GS).

    Pierer also mentions Super Moto. SM is virtually DEAD as a series in the USA. Perhaps the EU is better? Also ... SM sales have fallen way off. It's a dead end segment, IMHO.
  4. FlyingFinn

    FlyingFinn Long timer

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    That. (and one can substitute "KTM" with Bajaj or "Pierer" what ever you want to call the new owner of Husky)

    And at least equally importantly, BMW for sure as heck is not going to be in the business of parts supplier for a competing company.
    The Terra and Strada are, what at least 50%, made of BMW components.
    Once those bikes are not in the family anymore, BMW won't be supplying all those components to the new Husky. That's for sure.

    Look at what happened to TE630 and XChallenge. Gone in a year or two.

    With the new owner of Husky, and most key components of the Terra/Strada coming from BMW, same thing will almost inevitably happen to those bikes.
    And that's a pity because the Terra is great bike.

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  5. K1W1

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    It already has the BMW rounded on many of the steel and plastic moulded parts. Even the battery has BMW on it. The only place the rounded is missing is the side of the tank.
  6. Bokrijder

    Bokrijder Soyez sans que peur

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    Not sure that KTM really needs the BMW engine, an asian produced 690 duke engine would probably make it go. Cycle World has a few notes on the 2013 690 Duke coming to America @ $8999. Engine has top line technology with a claimed 70hp. (includes slipper clutch) Chrome-moly / aluminum frame / WP suspension/ the full KTM monty. should come in close to 325 lbs -- Yowsa, sign me up !!
    Back on subject - more mundane version of this engine - economy of volume - more mundane frame, suspension, components - in other words the Terra might come in close on the price point.

    Bokrijder
  7. Johnnyboxer

    Johnnyboxer Long timer

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    But BMW have just cut Husky loose:rofl
  8. Johnnyboxer

    Johnnyboxer Long timer

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    That was/is a BMW bike and still has complete BMW parts and technical back up - I've has some warranty goodwill, 5 years after purchase in the last year

    It will continue to be supported with parts for 20 years
  9. Johnnyboxer

    Johnnyboxer Long timer

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    Good call:clap
  10. GS simp

    GS simp Been here awhile

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  11. Ol'NumNuts

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    So much speculation, so many unanswered questions...
    On one hand I wanted to say that the way to secure future production of the model is to make sure you buy one now! and so continue the strong demand.
    Seems logical- but on the other hand it's hard to imagine BMW allowing the Terra to continue- as-is... Clearly the parts supply bin from BMW is 'limited'...
    I just wish someone would ask Pierer straight out what his intentions are for the Terra long term...
    Truth is he is probably so focused on the 'Big Picture' that he may not even know or care what happens with the Terra...
    Truth is, one motorcycle model does not a 'Brand' make... (Sry bout the Yoda speak)...
    In my own case I am trying to save up for a Terra and by the time I get there the answer will most likely be very clear...

    One of the more interesting thoughts about this bike is that it may well have 'urged' the Japs to update some very stale models- in this niche....

    Oh we'll, I guess I'll just hedge my bets and start following the wr250 thread again....
  12. Beemermcr

    Beemermcr Big, Dumb, Happy!

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    Several things stand out (rough numbers):

    Last year:

    BMW sold 1000 fewer bikes than KTM (105k to 104k, iirc)
    - KTM knows how to sell at least as well as BMW (I know KTM average price is lower, so BMW sales are higher)
    - meaning that the new owners know at least as much as BMW about selling bikes

    Husqvarna sold @10k bikes, (iirc) and the new owners state they want to take that to 20k/year, directly taking on the Japanese.

    My Terra is 4719, based on VIN, so they made and shipped about 5k units in less than half a year; I hear rumors that Husky sales were up 20+% in last quarter, due mostly to the Terra. I hear that January was even stronger--

    IMHO, it makes no sense to discontinue (or fail to secure the supply line for) the best selling product in a business you buy; a bike that can apparently single-handedly get you to 20,000 bikes this year, as long as you can ramp up production. Oh, and is positioned directly to steal sales from out-dated KLRs, DR650s, etc.

    I doubt we see the Terra an "orphan", dumped or given back to BMW --- makes no business sense. I that counts in today's market ----

    Paul
  13. Beemermcr

    Beemermcr Big, Dumb, Happy!

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    Just dropped off my Terra to Ricochet here in Salt Lake for them to prototype a Skidplate for the 650! Looking forward to seeing their solution for all the exposed lines --

    http://utahsportcycle.com/index.html

    Full disclosure: for giving up my baby for a week, I will get a "smoking' deal" on the prototype.

    Paul
  14. gunnerbuck

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    Maybe BMWs U.S. price point on these bikes allows for little profit when compared to their other models... In other words they were put out at a break even price to try to entice potential Japanese model buyers over and even with big sales do little for the bottom line...

    I have heard complaints from prospective buyers North of the US border that they are being ripped off... The Canadian dollar has been on par or higher than the US buck and yet these bike are priced much higher {+$2000?} up here...
  15. eakins

    eakins Butler Maps

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    anything less than a free part for you is a rip off. that's how it works.
  16. eakins

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    directly taking on the Japanese is keeping the price low. and where it's produced is a huge part of that equation? even though it's not Indian owned, i'm guessing it will be produced there.


  17. mario33

    mario33 Howling around...

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    So its better to get your own one now. Still Italian ;-)

    Mine arriving in a week. And I'm completely unfazed by rumours. It's a nice bike, there's legal obligation to supply parts for 10 years, aftermarket exists already (to the level I need it). I'm OK with it...
  18. WVdyhrd

    WVdyhrd mudhole 400 guy

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    I would love to see the legal precedent for this :deal

    But, the company was SOLD (fact not rumor) not dissolved. Different people own it now, but it has all been done by professionals. I'm sure they will continue to support their customers.

    Trust me, as someone that has access to both systems, KTM's CEO can only improve the support not degrade it.
  19. SCExpat

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    The bikes sell for different prices in different countries due to taxes. A big factor in my move from Brazil back to the states. 100% import tax makes things cost double. The straw that broke the camels back was when I needed new tires for my 2010 DL650 (about $18K new) and the Anake II cost about $300....EACH! :eek1 No vaseline.
  20. gunnerbuck

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    Yes vaseline, the taxes {13 %} get added on after the $2000 price difference...

    To tell you how bad it is, cars built in this country are cheaper to buy in the U.S.