2013 KTM Adventure 1190

Discussion in 'Ridiculous streetbikes with 6 CPUs and too much ho' started by goodcat8, Apr 23, 2012.

  1. wpbarlow

    wpbarlow Long timer

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    My experience is that all 9x0's are just about perfect and extremely entertaining for dirt road riding.


    I don't know if the 1290 (or whatever) will be useless for off roading-- the package seems to have enough of a dirt advantage over the other bikes in the category to still rank number one off pavement while gaining those pavement attributes that might push it to the top of comparos (for what that's worth). Frankly, I believe that a 990 with an R tune, 19/17 wheel setup, more comfortable seat, and little better wind management puts it at/much closer to the top right now. The MS12 will always be a better pure pavement bike because of the 17" wheels and big power motor.


    I'd love a smaller/lighter twin as the adventure bike as well, but don't think KTM can take off a whole lot of weight from the current 990. Even putting a smaller motor into an SE kind of arrangement with a bigger tank wouldn't drop all that much weight; and by the time you "adventureize" (think Tiger & BMW 800s) it to the point where it can profitably sell you're at a similar weight point.

    As far as having a bike for "proper adventure riding"- I'd submit that with all the things/trips you see people doing with the current crop of bikes (and not just KTMs) "proper" is more a function of the rider than the ride.
  2. SnakeBreak

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    I think this is very true. I have a KTM 300 EXC which is great on single track. It is pretty boring to ride it on dirt roads. My 990 is an adventure bike. This weekend I did a nice 50/50 trip and I could not have been happier. Sure when you get there it would be nice to have a lighter bike, but getting there would be a problem and not as fun. I think the idea of an Adventure bike is rooted in it's ability to do many things, and go many places. :clap
  3. Geek

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    I'm affraid this is just a rumor, which can be found from different sources from the internet and I even heard it from a KTM dealer. But how much truth is in it? The KTM model roadmap, which leaked about a year ago, does not state such a model, while all other news on that slide have proved to be true, by now. So why would a 800Adventure not be on that roadmap, if it would be ready for release 2013?

    I would love to see one and would be one of the first to order it, because that would be perfect timing to replace my 990.

    We will know, in about a year...!
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  6. Terence FFM

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    This is a good point. I think a lot of people would like to see a smaller, lighter 2-cylinder adventure bike but making it lighter while still being able to load it up with it gear and slam it through high speed washes, having high quality wheels and suspension will end up in KTM building a bike that is lighter, and less powerful (and hopefully more fuel efficient to boot) but just as expensive as the current bike. Why do you think the F800GS comes with crappy non-adjustable forks? Because the consumer has been trained to think that displacement equals quality and subsequently price. If BMW put the same level of bits on the F as they do the R (not that those bits justify the prices BMW wants, but that's just my humble opinion), the two bikes would probably not be significantly different from one another in price (OK, the shaft costs a lot more to manufacture, but I wrote significantly.)

    The cool Japanese 400cc race replicas in the early and mid-ninties with upside down forks, dzus fasteners, and all aluminum frames and swingarms: anyone remember those? They sold well in Japan because of the strict graduated licencing combined with a cultural attitude that big is not necessarily good. Everywhere else they flopped. They had tricker bits on them than most of the 750s and 600s being sold Stateside at the time. But we were so brainwashed to not see past this and they were usually passed off with a comment like,"No friggin' way am I paying as much for a 400 when I can get a 600 for the same money!!"

    So, when you ask yourself why KTM isn't bringing a smaller adventure to the market, I suspect that is a big part of the answer.
  7. jerdog53

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    Well said! :deal
  8. v8toilet

    v8toilet Nothing to see here.

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    As Joe Dirt would say "It's not what you want, it's what the consumer wants."

    Unfortunately most consumers don't want what I want.

    The ultimate consumer adventure bike is a Goldwing with some off-road styling cues.

    I'm sure the new KTM is going to be phenomenal, but it's another step away from my ideals.
  9. crazybrit

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    KTM USA were rumored to have imported only 100 640 Adventures per year (2004 - 2007). Even accounting for the fact that it's a filling-rattler and that rider interest in these bikes is maybe growing, the market segment is still tiny. I wouldn't be surprised if they never release a 690/800 adventure. Also I'm not surprised that the 1190 is getting more-power, more-abs, more-stuff-people-who-ride-dirt-don't-much-care-about. In all the European adventure shootout reviews the 990 is competing with the Super-Tenere, Triumph Tiger and the freakin' Multistrada. It's always the "21 front end feels to vague in the twisties", "motor doesn't have enough power", "doesn't have enough buttons on the dashboard" .... but this versus better dirt manners is what the majority of buyers want.
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    That would be the Varadero; so ask Honda how that went :lol3
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    You're making my point. Who said anything about "dirt". I said adventure shootout :D
  13. Schannulleke

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    That would be a cool idea!

    Take the current 690 Enduro, replace the engine by a 600cc 120hp DI 2-stroke engine -> new enduro
    Take the current 690 Enduro, replace the engine by a 600cc 120hp DI 2-stroke engine, adventurize the bike -> new adventure
  14. MookieBlaylock

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    120 hp in a 300 lbs dual sport, surely you jest
  15. Treadless

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    Would most likely be closer to 350 than 300lbs. And equipped with a de-tune switch for off road, dropping out put to around 80hp. Oh my yes. :happay
  16. syzygy9

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    Well said!

    Unfortunately there are lots of Adventure riders (cafe racers graduating to something a little more comfortable?) who will never see anything more difficult than a smooth dirt road. Unfortunately the things that make a good road bike are not the the things that make a good dirt bike - the trick is finding that balance. The KTM 990 is the closest in my view (which is why I bought one over a F800GS et al) but KTM may be succumbing to 'market' pressure to make their bikes more like the rest and more road orientated. As much as I (and guess many other Adv riders) may wish for a lighter, dirt capable twin there may simply not be the market for one. KTM only sell 30 new 990 Adv here in Australia a year - that's not a big market for a country that you would think would lap these bikes up.
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    Can't be all bad as they are putting money into development of the Crossrunner.

    I will also submit:

    Ducati Multistrada
    Tiger Super Explorer
    Yamaha Super Tenere

    With Honda and KTM's bikes that brings us to 5 new platforms in 4 years. All five are more designed for "Adventure Touring" with the emphasis on the "touring".
  18. Gros Buck

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    As far as I am concerned. Bofff !!!!! 1090 or 1290, both are ennoying and totaly useless. The 990 is already too heavy and too powerfull.

    We need a 800 mono, direct injection, adventure. Or even better, 600 mono, 2 strokes direct injection.

    Paul Jr
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  20. Yascher

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    WOW, thats just an SMT blended with Adv suspension and a new engine))))))) at least no more problems with buffeting!!!!!