2013 KTM Adventure 1190

Discussion in 'Ridiculous streetbikes with 6 CPUs and too much HP' started by goodcat8, Apr 23, 2012.

  1. PPiA

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    The watercooled GS and the 1190 are both new models.
    We, the buyers, want them yesterday.
    The manufacturers get them to us as quickly as possible and the early ones have teething issues.
    My 1190R had a bad front tyre from new. KTM don't make it, but it should have been picked up when it was balanced.
    When those tyres arrive in Australia, KTM said they will replace it under warranty.
    It has 5000km on it now and apart from that tyre, it has been flawless.
  2. Katoom72

    Katoom72 Been here awhile

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    It's called mass production, you think they fabricate all of the parts by themself?
    Some issues are from KTM engineering mistakes, they can't cover everything into detail. Gremlins wil always show up with a big number of units. It's up to KTM to go back to the drawing board and comming up with a solution.
    Nonetheless it sux to have a 15.000euro bike with reliability issues. You lose time and money over it, 2 things you don't want to lose after coughing up that ammount of money.

    Some other issues are from other MFG's that deliver bad batches to KTM. KTM throws, let's say, a job to make 100.000 units of sidestand springs on the market. Suppliers wil bid on that, the lowest bids wil then be asked to make samples. After quality checkup compared to price a supplier wil be chosen. (but 9/10 it's the price that makes the choice... Keeps the pice of the bike down and profit up.) Supplier delivers bad or underspecced batch and your sidestandspring breaks after 3000km.
  3. Spark01

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    This...

    it happens every where. management wants to cut the cost. some chosen suppliers make some samples (which are usually perfect made).
    at the end of the test trail, the one that passes the tests and is the cheapest gets the order.
    but then mass production starts, and then often some problems start to appear.
    or the manufacture has an unstable process so the quality fluctuates. or the manufacture him self wants to cut the cost and uses less quality material....
    But the main problem is that the problems start to appear after some time when the product is already in use at the customers.

    the only thing what a good brand can do is perform a recall free of charge to change the suspected parts. but of course the local dealer ship/ mechanic has to do a good job as wel. because good parts that are bad assembled still makes it a bad product.
  4. Frog uk

    Frog uk Been here awhile

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    Becuase the manufacturer charges top dollar for a bike built from a bunch of parts from the cheapest bidder.
    You did know ktm are an Indian company now, did'nt you?

    Springs breaking-poor metal,
    Stands breaking - poor metal.

    Where are they recycling old ships, scrap etc..?

    Just keep your fingers crossed that the crank, cams, gears, valves etc weren't made there as well.

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  5. Nerb

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    Is it? I know that the 125, 200 and 390 duke are manufactured in india under some joint venture, but nothing else is made there. Where did you get that info from? Please link.
  6. Frog uk

    Frog uk Been here awhile

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    Google "Bajaj buys Ktm" for all the info you need.

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  7. grizzlyj

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  8. PPiA

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    I can't find anything that shows Bajaj owning more than 47%.

    In November 2007, Indian two-wheeler manufacturer Bajaj Auto acquired 14.5% stake in KTM Power Sports AG (parent company of KTM Sportmotorcycles AG). The two companies have signed a cooperation deal, by which KTM will provide the know-how for joint development of the water-cooled 4-stroke 125 cc and 200 cc engines, and Bajaj will take over the distribution of KTM products in India and some other Southeast Asian nations. In December 2007, Bajaj increased their stake to more than 20%. Bajaj increased its share to 38.09% in November 2010.[6] As of March 2012 Bajaj Auto holds a 47% stake.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTM
  9. numbutt

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    Good news and bad news.......so far my 1190R has done 4000Km and all is well, touch wood. Only real complaint is the poorly designed side stand and stand mount. Adding a base load spreader does little to correct poor design. The problem is with the mount......it needs to be at a different angle so that a longer side stand can be used and then still fold back correctly along the swinging arm. Oil drop from the chain dropping on the exhaust I have solved with a catch pan just under drive sprocket.
    The bad news is that given what one reads on the KTM 690R thread [and I have followed it through 1000 odd pages ] [ I have owned one from new ], don't expect KTM to rush you with any fixes or updates. The 690 has been plagued by fuel pump failures, poor idle mapping [flame-outs ] and lately we are seeing valve rocker failures . The fuel pump failures are so frequently reported that many inmates have at their own cost fitted an after market upgraded fuel pump. [ I have fitted a second pump and can run on either ]. I suspect that many people thinking of purchasing a 690R have decided not to proceed after reading the thread. Recently an Ozzie and a Pom rod two 690R's from UK to Australia [ a sort of ''long way around'' ]. Not one but both broke down in Russia with dead fuel pumps with very difficult overstay visa problems as a result. This is all in a DVD '' Continental Drift '' widely distributed with magazine issue recently. In my opinion very poor on KTM ....at very least every customer [ bike owner ...we are customers ! ] should have been supplied FOC. with a new upgraded pump. What was nearly as bad was that I was going to give the DVD, proudly, to my mate with a lowly DR650, but now just imagine the ragging he would now give me.........DR"s don't brake down........
  10. umitc

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    Surely there are many parts made in India, or cheaper materials used from India, but I am sure that this sort of cheaper sourcing is done by all kind of manufacturers today. The only thing that matters is, how carefully those suppliers and their supplies are chosen to be used on yhe bike or controlled before the assembly line. Thinking a BMW for instance is totally and purely made in Germany is funny.

    In brief, yes maybe the 1190 is produced in Austria, unlike the 125s; but this doesn't prevent them to use eastern parts on it. My guess at first sight is, the horn and the indicator button :-))))))))
  11. Katoom72

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    It had nothing tot do with India... Those parts come from all over the world.

    Suzuki outboards are build in Thailand and they are far from bad quality.

    Corporate company's outsourcing their production tot low-cost countries is nothing new.
  12. Frog uk

    Frog uk Been here awhile

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    This is true, bit you soon learn that much of the stuff coming from the far east is utter shite quality, unless the mother company has set up and is actively managing production.

    I'm a builder and only buy tools manufactured in the west now, the stuff I've had from china/india has usually fallen apart after the first couple of uses, pale imitations at best.

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  13. Katoom72

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    There you go, where those OEM branded tools? Like, did they have the same brand as your good quality tools? There's the key difference.

    Bad batches wil be made in every country, all factories wil try to cut the cost and increase profits. Not to mention the guy at the production line itself, he can fail at his work aswell. So can the quality manager, ect, etc.
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  15. Frog uk

    Frog uk Been here awhile

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    I dont look at brand anymore with tools, just where they are made. West is best, east is 'very often' shite.
  16. Audun

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    Aha. Now I understand why KTM stated that Ewan and Charlie would not make it through road of bones. It had nothing to do with the riders, but the bikes they wanted.... :wink:

    Audun
    (1190 adv - 9600 km and a long list of things to fix at next service for KTM)
  17. Katoom72

    Katoom72 Been here awhile

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    there is still a difference between tools made in the west also.

    But enough off-topic i guess, i've been spoiling this thread enough by now. :freaky
  18. Jim Colombotos

    Jim Colombotos Been here awhile

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    Opps wrong thread
  19. speed_racer

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    so are they selling it? or did you take it back with some dealer recall fixes in place?

    If your selling it, do you want to unload some of those powerparts to us inmates? :D
  20. speed_racer

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    thats funny... this production line doesnt look indian to me...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcpmi-H1dtA