2013 KTM Adventure 1190

Discussion in 'Ridiculous streetbikes with 6 CPUs and too much HP' started by goodcat8, Apr 23, 2012.

  1. 6USMC6

    6USMC6 R.I.P. Party Boss

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    There were close to a dozen solutions that people came up with for the 9X0 side stands - some of which moved back and used the passenger foot rest brackets. Someone will come up with something.
  2. RoundOz

    RoundOz Plenty of seasoning

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    ...the last time I posted it a few pages back, but the 1190 stand is only mounted with 6mm screws...it probably doesn't represent as big an issue as the 9x0 stand does in the event of an impact....as long as you carry a set of screw extractors and a battery drill. But it might be worthwhile mentioning it to the vertically challenged who habitually mount the bike by climbing on via the foot peg when on the sidestand. Do I remember reading a warning against this practice in the 990 owners manual....?
  3. keener

    keener Speed changes you.

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    I wounder if a slightly wider skid plate could protect the side stand from getting hit.

    I agree that 1190 side stand is designed to break o$$.
  4. Alarm

    Alarm Been here awhile

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    I thought its the central stand that brakes. Now it also seems the side stand brakes as well ?

    I start to feel day by day that those guys just rushed too much to put the bike in production.

    In the end it's all those (many) things that give a bad image to the bike.
  5. manxkipper

    manxkipper Fishpistel

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    Has a stand actually broken off? No reports suggesting same. No point discussing something that has not happened yet. Pure conjecture!
  6. Alarm

    Alarm Been here awhile

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    Yeap, read 2-3 threads about a broken central stand :)
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    Alarm Been here awhile

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    Here you go with some links

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=911775
    http://www.ktmforum.eu/forum3/wbb/9...nture-technik/58863-hauptständer-abgebrochen/

    And here someone touches the ground with the stand while driving
    http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=914734 :D


    I bet they spend many months designing it :rofl
  8. RoundOz

    RoundOz Plenty of seasoning

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    The side stand issue may be pure conjecture, but it is based on a long history of problems with the 9x0's that have the sidestand mounted to the engine case in the same manner. There is enough leverage that many of them suffered broken engine cases as a result of an impact to the folded stand. The hope is that because the 1190 uses much smaller screws this will not happen, that the screws would snap instead, but many people would rather have seen the stand attached to the frame.

    As far as a larger skid plate protecting it, I kinda doubt it, as it is an impact to the foot of the stand that would be the most likely culprit. It has been pointed out that a mounting plate that mounts to the frame may not work for the 11...I wonder if a frame-mounted bracket with a U-shaped receiver into which the aft end of the stand locates when folded might be an option. It would stop the stand from deflecting and the load applied to the case would be much less. Might be a little ugly when the bike is on the sidestand, but so is a puddle of oil under the motor...

    I still expect that someone will come up with a relocating plate pretty soon. There are enough design geniuses out there and enough of a market, even if no sidestand ever breaks.
  9. Alarm

    Alarm Been here awhile

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    It seems that KTM found the idea of Ducati, putting the stand on the engine is a really smart idea, so they made it too.

    How stupid is that, really. Put on a sensitive metal the stand that holds so many kg.

    Sometimes i wonder what do they drink :freaky when they design things that are already set as standards for decades now on most of the bikes and work.
  10. keener

    keener Speed changes you.

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    even on 950 and 990 you should ride very aggressively in tough rocky trails to hit the side stand. I can see some scratches and dents on the arch of my 950's stand (no marks on the tail end of the stand). I have used a side stand relocator plate and I even broke that! Its a good upgrade if you want to ride among boulders.

    From the frist look it seems KTM hasn't done anything about this by mounting the side-stand to the engine case again. On closer look I see the stand is held by much smaller bolts (M8). On my 950 I have beefy M10x30mm screws mounting the stand to the engine case:

    950/990 ADV:
    see Part #8:
    HH COLLAR SCREW M10X30 WS=13
    0015100303
    image source missioncycleangus.com
    [​IMG]


    1190 ADV:
    (image source ktmtwins.com)
    See Part#19:
    0025080166 HH COLLAR SCREW M8X16 TX40
    [​IMG]

    So...given the light bracket holding the stand and the smaller screws ,It looks like KTM designed the 1190's side stand bracket (part#6030302600033S SIDE STAND BRACKET) to break off before the engine case breaks.

    Given the pressure on the engineers to make the bike lighter, I am not surprised about their decision. Its not the end of the world. Many 9x0 owners rode their bikes for years and didn't even hit the stand once and don't even know what a relocator plate is..., never mind breaking the case. Go riding.
  11. speed_racer

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    I agree.. when i got the uni filter added at the first service, even bolt on said we didn't bother putting the socks in because they can be too restrictive..

    I will try a deep river crossing on mine if its in my way but it just means if its real deep ill keep an eye on the front and a finger on the kill switch just in case..

    I think for a hybrid sports / adventure bike, your going to have some elements that are from either side.. and the air intake in this case sports..

    it isnt all bad though.. i think we will be using its roar power 99% of the time in comparison to river crossings :p

    as they say, you cant have your cake and eat it too.. well you can but the cake may taste better than it looks or vice versa.. :p
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    I've never noticed.. but thanks for the tip.. i usually do that when my legs are tired :)
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    speed_racer Been here awhile

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    interesting read.. although the bottom one is in regards to a adventure std not the R model which has more clearance..

    id love to see the pics on how it broke.. im sure with a bit of time in the garage someone could find a solution..
  14. speed_racer

    speed_racer Been here awhile

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    I just found this site on working bolt strengths.. it seems the tiny 6mm isnt so weak after all..

    http://www.tech.plymouth.ac.uk/sme/desnotes/boltb.htm

    So it takes 24550 newtons to break a 6mm bolt = 5519 pounds or 2503 kg hit.. given that website is correct..

    any engineers want to confirm?
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    The strength isn't as important as the grade. If it's a grade 6 or 8, it will stretch somewhat before it breaks. If it's a grade 10 or 12, it will be stronger, but more brittle and it will sheer off more easily.
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    Shear strength and ultimate tensile strength are two different things. Both of these vary significantly depending on the material the bolt is made from and how it is heat treated.
    It's possible those bolts could be subjected to both forces depending on how the sidestand was hit. Also note that there are very long levers involved that magnify the forces significantly (for example if the distance between the bolts was 1.5" and the stand 15" long, the forces might be 10 times higher). Acceleration due to gravity and the speed of the bike also increase the forces. All this is speculative...the real world is a large target sample (thousands of new owners) and lots of testing (thousands of miles of rocky trails). So you guinea pigs...uh...astute 1190 owners....who bought the first year model, get out there and ride em like they were meant to be and we will take notes...
  19. Alarm

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    Come on, lets get serious. If we see the current center stand braking, do you think they (KTM) would put so much science on a 3-4 bolts ? Now honestly... :lol3
  20. Harold Waikiki

    Harold Waikiki oldfatdumbbrokeoutofshape

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    Put a deposit down on a 1190r and consigned my multi! I'm pumped!!