2013 KTM Adventure 1190

Discussion in 'Ridiculous streetbikes with 6 CPUs and too much ho' started by goodcat8, Apr 23, 2012.

  1. LukasM

    LukasM Long timer

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    What many people here are not realizing is that Europe is still the biggest market for KTM, and there is almost no legal off roading here any more unless you are on private land (in which case you are likely to trailer your real dirt bike there). For gravel and unpaved roads which you are more likely to find the 1190 will do it just fine.

    KTM is already making more money from street bikes than they do from offroad bikes, and growth in that segment is also 3x as much (H1 2012 numbers). Since they are in the business to make money and not to please a niche group (the hard core off road 950/990 riders), more power to them if the 1190 outsells the old Adventures as I expect.
  2. jpcussen

    jpcussen Jpcussen Cape Town

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    Howzit bud - I am not saying that you should take an R1 off-road!... I am refering to the guys who purely ride their DS bikes on TAR... unpaved roads can still be alot of fun on a DS bike, at least you still feel a little adventure.
  3. Kenbike

    Kenbike Been here awhile

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    Will KTM still sell the 990 adventure in 2013? Are they selling the SMT or super moto in 2013?
  4. sakurama

    sakurama on an endless build

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    As Lukas says, this is a bike for their big markets which is the US and Europe. Those that ride the 990's off road here are more likely to live in rural areas like you but most of our population lives in cities. The east coast is also almost completely paved compared to the west coast (yes dirt exists but not in the epic way of the west). They were smart. They built a bike to crush BMW in the Dakar and then they rode that success until now. The market has recognized where most people live and ride and the product cycle requires a model to reflect that. It's still the most off road capable machine you can buy so it's not like they abandoned their roots, they just evolved like the market.

    Gregor
  5. mousitsas

    mousitsas Long timer

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    Not true. As soon as the current 990's leave the dealer floors, then the 800 will appear and no more 990 ever after.
  6. Deviant666

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    Yes I think you're right, yet I consider the new model a very good prospect for anihilating the equivalent competition. It's faster, more offroad worthy and overall a better bike (in paper). Heck, it's even lighter than the current 9x0's. Adventure riding (at least for most riders in Europe) consists of many Kms on paved roads and about 10-15% off roading so I say this one is hitting bullseye...(nevertheless, I hope they make it tough enough to withstand enough abuse without troubles which is always a concern with more complicated bikes)...
  7. randel

    randel Been here awhile

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    Look at the german website http://www.ktm.com/de/travel/1190-adventure-r-eu/powerparts-kalkulator.html
    All the missing parts you were complaining about are already available as extras - proper skid plate, acrapovic exhaust, higher windshield, bigger footrests, luggage and so on. Looking good for me!
    Price for 1190R is 14890 EUR, while 990R is available for 1000EUR less - not bad at all.
  8. MookieBlaylock

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    this is the accessory skid plate
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  9. Portman

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    Ineteresting.

    Just read that the bikes have COMBINED ABS, which, in their words, deploys the back brake when the front is applied.

    This sounds a bit like Honda's early implementation of this scheme as I beleive their later versions also apply the front brake (although at a reduced force) if the rear is applied.

    Having never ridden a Honda with this set up can't comment on how such a system works in practice, but road tests indicate it is very good. Don't know about off-road though, but the KTM info does say the ABS can be switched off (apparently as well as having an off-road mode).

    Can't wait to read a thorough test ride report.
  10. SigPig

    SigPig Been here awhile

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    The bike is very nice and all but I am going to wait for a bike that may never come to be.

    950/990 styled KTM 790 Adventure R.
  11. RED CAT

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    I think they pretty well sold all the 990s they were going to sell to the faithfull. Now they need to sell more bikes to stay in business. I"m willing to bet they will sell more of the new version world wide than the old one. Also willing to bet the new one will be better overall. A lighter bike is always better in the dirt but you have to look at the big picture. And probably 80% of the riding is pavement so streetier maybe good for sales. More power for sure. Also willing to bet it will still be pretty dam good in the dirt. The windshield was the biggest downfall for me in the long run.This bike has something different that has to work better. The original seat on my 06 950S was awful. This one looks better. Comfort can't be totally overlooked. Funny how we all bash most new bikes when they first come out and then slowly change our minds after they get tested and then see a few around. And then end up buying one and realizing, WOW, this is really nice.
    Happened to me one the new 06 KTM, then the new 08 GS12 and now the new 12 S10 Yammie. Try it, I'm sure you'll like it. Bikes are always getting BETTER!
  12. LukasM

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    Interesting data point: In Austria - arguably the most KTM-loyal country on the planet - the 1200GS has always been outselling the 990 Adventure by 300-400%, in fact the KTM just barely sells as much as the monstrous 1200GSA... :eek1

    I think that ratio is going to improve a hell of a lot with the 1190, as useless as those 150 horses are in the dirt. :deal
  13. wpbarlow

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    Not necessarily, I bought a 990 and a 19/17 wheelset.:lol3

    (already have a 950SM)
  14. Navin

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    The rumors of a 800 twin were started by the same riders who were sure a 690 Adv was eminent! Yes it would be nice to see, but it is just wishful thinking right now!

    Hey, I get what the bike is to all the Captain Obvious imposters! No Chit! :lol3

    I could have made a short list of areas for improvement based on my needs/wants/desires and point of fact, this bike meets none of them. As the 990 evolved it got lower and lower too. Not for me, thanks!

    I am selling my SE, cause after 5 years I'm ready for something new and I'm tired of riding a bike that splays my legs like I'm at a gynocologists office for a battery of tests and that won't let me slide forward to corner. This bike will lock you into one place while seated too, one of my biggest gripes about the "real" Adv.

    I've had, lets see here,,, 10 new KTMs. Yes, at least ten, probably forgot a few.

    Ten KTMs since 1998. My kids have owned another dozen, starting from 50cc thru 65 to 125, 250s and 380s. No shortage of KTM fanaticism in this household. Hey, maybe this is a reciep for them to grow and become Honda. That'll be a sad day in my opinion but great for them I guess?

    Haven't you got an already watered down, once legendary brand from what BMW did to Husky to keep you streety adventure guys happy? :rofl
  15. Duk

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    Just heard that these bikes won't hit the U.S. until late 2013 as a 2014 model. :cry
  16. Sumi

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    +1

    I don't understand why is everybody so sure about KTM producing a ~800 twin?!

    In the past ten years, KTM developed "only" 2 multicylinder engine.. The LC8, and the RC8.. IMO it takes years to develope a new engine, and there are no official info about this (only rumors on some forums).. So don't you guys think that if KTM would make a ~800ccm twin in a couple of years, we would already have some info about it?

    I don't think this engine will exist in a matter of years..
    Just my 2 cents..
  17. wilmar13

    wilmar13 Been here awhile

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    The 900cc sub 400lb 100hp bike (the Nuda IIRC)? I remember the spec sheet was pretty damn good if you could get past the looks but the US never got it. The rest of the world can buy them... Are they selling and is there a dirt version yet? That may be a good indication of the Adventure middle weights prospects.
  18. Navin

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    :lol3 You'd think the dealers were accepting deposits by the way this phantom 800 twin has been bandied about! :lol3
  19. Navin

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    I was thinking of the + 400 lbs 650 Husqvarna singles!!! Man, it hurts to ever see that on the screen!
  20. YOGOI

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    I dont understand why people think they want it (800). :norton

    Whats the big differences between the 950/990 and what a 800 would be. Weight saving would not be much.

    Restyle the 990 to look like the current Dakar bikes, and you'll have a beautiful bike that will kill the GS and Tiger 800's, AND still be lighter. :deal