2013 KTM Adventure 1190

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  1. DesertSurfer

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    I'm certainly not going to go out and buy a new 1190, but that's because I'm way happy with my 950 S. But I'm surprised it took so long for KTM to come out with the 1190. It's the only way they can try to compete with the GS12 and the press that considers BMW so superior. The question isn't really would you keep your 990 or upgrade to the 1190. It's whether you'd buy a new GS12 or the new 1190. From that stand point I think everyone here would agree. And that's an answer we can all be proud of looking ahead. Once the 1190 has international success then they can start focusing on the micro niches we all fall under.

    Let's hope the 1190 does really, really well and inspires KTM to develop a high tech mid-range Rally Replica Twin. I think that's something we can all agree on too.
  2. Grinderman

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    Very well said Desertsurfer!!!!!:clap
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  6. Xtremjeepn

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    Not exactly a fair comparison shot now is it:lol3 (highly modified bike completely stripped of its weight:lol3)
  7. crofrog

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    Considering the rear axle height is determined by tire and wheel size it looks identical to me...

    At the end of the day getting that pipe down low is going to make the bike run cooler, the shock run cooler so it's less likely to fade, the rear brake line cooler, and the mass is going to be lower to let the bike handle better.
  8. Xtremjeepn

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    Pretty sure he meant the rear axle relative to the bottom of the frame/engine/exhaust, not relative to the ground. Easy to see the ground clearance difference this way. Still a tainted look at it with a stripped down highly modified race bike.
  9. Xtremjeepn

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    This is probably a better true comparison photo. Take piece of paper from the top of your screen and run the straight edge between the axles of both photos and you can clearly see how much more is hanging below the axle height on the 1190!

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    I did a quick and dirty photoshop to show the difference below the axles of the 990R and the 1190R. :eek1


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  12. crofrog

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    Yes there is, but allot of that has to do with the fact that the 990R has an inch more travel at both ends that the 1190R (which is annoying).

    Just get the bike raised to original 950s height (265mm of travel, versus 245 for the last "R") or get crazy and get a set of SX forks (if the fork end is the same) or a set of the open catridges and swap the fork ends on them and combine that with either taking spacers out of the 1190 shock or getting a longer shock from the off-road line.

    Resping and revalve and have a 300mm of travel...

    I'm sure james would be able to put something together.
  13. Xtremjeepn

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    I was going for the closest "Apple to Apples" comparison possible. So an "R" to "R" comparison was appropriate. :D
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    I agree. I think it's lame it lost travel and the seat isn't flat, but I think the low pipe overall is a good thing.
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    Well, I made another version of the photo comparison using the original factory 950 photos. But now Flickr is broken and I can't upload it.:cry So I will post it later.
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    Easier said than done! The 1190 R might have a new shock or different leverage ratio that allows it to use no spacers to achieve its R level travel. You might be able to raise the 1190 non-R to R specs, but that might be the limit. At least without major surgery (longer shock shaft and shock body?). And then you'd have to deal with the forks. Notice the non-R 1190 has the axle under the fork while the R has more conventional dirtbike style leading axle forks.

    There might be solutions to get more travel and more clearance on the 1190 for those that want it, but it will not be as easy as it was with the 9X0.
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    That's allot of speculation on both our parts. Assuming they keep using the same fork's WP48's and the same shocks (I still don't know if it's a PDS or a link bike) ktm has historically had a pretty high amount of part interchange in suspension. I'm not sure they'd make there life harder with one allot off parts for the suspension on this bike considering how well they understand the wp48's at this point.

    I was talking about literally throwing on ktm dirt bike parts and changing the fork lowers around and replacing the shock with one from a dirt bike.
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  19. kateemer

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    Question About the 990R ride height.
    Which model year because they've been everywhere through the years.
    For instance the 2012 model is lower than 2011.
    They almost changed height every year. Pretty hard to make a comparison.
  20. Yardstick

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    Have you had one of the big bikes? The forks on the big bikes are *similar* to the dirtbike forks, but there are differences in axles, brake carriers, spacers, lengths of spring guides, lengths of damper rods, etc... The shocks are totally different animals between the big bike and dirtbike lines. The PDS system and general hydraulic theory is about all they have in common. There might be some interchangeability between the old 9X0 shocks and the 1190 shocks, but I doubt they have the same length shock bodies and shafts. As short as they made the travel on the 1190 it doesn't make sense that they would use a full length 9X0 S/R shock with internal spacers. The only way to use those shocks at full length to get less travel would be to change the leverage ratio. Maybe a 9X0 S/R/standard shock would swap in and raise the 1190. Somebody will try it!