2013 KTM Adventure 1190

Discussion in 'Ridiculous streetbikes with 6 CPUs and too much HP' started by goodcat8, Apr 23, 2012.

  1. MAXVERT

    MAXVERT OG on da OC

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    That would be a lot of fun on SR's route from Durango to San Blas.

    Max
  2. tornillo

    tornillo Motojunkie.

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    I saw both at Melbourne show yesterday.....
    very disappointed! they went soft....they look like v storm :puke1
    where is the adventure 690??? why ktm doesnt get it????
  3. cool dude

    cool dude Been here awhile

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    Whilst at EICMA last week I did not notice any stering dampers on any of the 4 1190s there although I was not specifically looking for them. There did not appear to be anything on the steering yoke so can only assume they have some form of transverse linear damper like http://www.wp-group.at/en/wp-performance-systems/products/steering-damper/ hidden inside the bodywork or under the tank. Both the 1190 and 1190R should come with the same steering damper as standard as per http://www.ktm.com/travel/1190-adventure-r-eu/highlights/benefit/753/benefit/Product.html and http://www.ktm.com/travel/1190-adventure-eu/highlights/benefit/740/benefit/Product.html (scroll to the bottom in both cases and there is a Steering Damper section).

    It is interesting to note that the 1190R comes with TPMS (Tire Pressure Measurement System) linked to the VDO display as standard whilst on the 1190 it is only available as an option combined with EDS (Electronic Damping System). See http://www.ktm.com/gb/travel/1190-adventure-r-eu/powerparts-calculator.html and http://www.ktm.com/gb/travel/1190-adventure-ausuk/powerparts-calculator.html for the options.

    Whilst there is no longer a inter tank storage/glove box, I did notice there is a small horizontal area under the clocks that has a hinged lid which I assume can be used to stash small items.
  4. Pete640

    Pete640 I hate sand.......

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    It says there is one on the R highlights sheet as standard. Just need to find it!!!:ear
  5. jconyer

    jconyer Adventurer

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    /Yep, I want one! Any body know offhand whats entailed in importing a bike from, say Germany? :evil
  6. Florida Lime

    Florida Lime Long timer

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    The highlights under chassis, list it on both the standard AND R versions:

    STEERING DAMPER

    With so much propulsive power, the front wheel can become very light, which can quickly lead to unpleasant kick-back on uneven roads or following a slight stimulus at the handlebar. The Adventure prevents this safely with a reliable and sensitive WP steering damper.
  7. umitc

    umitc Been here awhile

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    I wonder when we will hear of 1190 ride reports here.
  8. pfy50

    pfy50 Professional nOOb

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    +1
    They just don't get that we need a lighter bike to go back country:doh. They would rather keep doing a one up on BMW 1200 gs than give us something we could really use; a light and maneuverable bike, with long service intervals, full farkle line:deal.

  9. Scutty

    Scutty Been here awhile

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    Errrr no, KTM are a business and want to make money. The OC Militia can deride it all they like but the GS market is huge and KTM want a slice. 200 people on a forum are not a market for a brand new bike, no matter how often you all bleat on this thread.
    Right now, KTM aren't making your dream machine, get over it
  10. BillyD

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    Agreed, the GS market is huge, but most in that segment probably like watching the "Long Way" DVD more than the Dakar....

    So, if KTM were truly a business focused exclusively on making money, why then do they spend bazillions of Dollars/Euros/Choose-your-currency on the Dakar each year?

    If they had more financial sense (like BMW), they would either:

    1) Stop spending that money on the Dakar and invest in new model R&D instead, OR
    2) Offer a model or hard parts kit that capitalizes on their Dakar exploits (i.e., 690 Adventure +/or Hard Parts Kit).

    The X-Bow is yet another example of KTM having its financial head up its ass. It was probably a pet project of some senior executive whose kid wanted to be the next Aryton Senna.

    I can understand not offering a fully homologated 690 Adventure, but not offering at least a Hard Parts kit is asinine given how much they spend on the Dakar.

    With all that said, I believe offering the 1190 to the GS market is a stroke of marketing genius and long overdue.
  11. coast range rider

    coast range rider Been here awhile

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    +1
    They finally got it that we need a lighter bike to go paved back roads. They could one up the BMW 1200 gs and give us something we could really use; a light and maneuverable bike, with long service intervals, full farkle line:deal.


    The 1190 Adventure is the V-Strom owner's dream machine! Modern design features, long tank range, quality suspension, lighter and more powerful than most of the competition, and comfort for 2. The 990 Adventure was a niche bike tilted towards off-road instead of touring comfort. Now we have the R model for dirt adventure rides and the non-R for the BIG market.
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    While I agree with that statement, you seem to imply that that the 1190 will be a less capable off pavement bike than the 9x0 without any evidence to support such an implication. In fact, the only published first hand riding experience so far says it's better off pavement than the 9x0- indeed (and I admit this is hard to accept) better than the SE. In any case, I think I'll reserve judgment until they get into customer hands so we can get some better informed opinions.

    I can't help but feel (at least a little) that if KTM had kept the 9x0 bodywork a lot of the weeping and gnashing of teeth would not exist. Which leads one to a conclusion that maybe the biggest complainers are upset with losing the pose value of the 9x0 "look". And I admit that I regret that as well.
  13. triplenickel

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    Damned if you do and damned if you don't, had they kept the body work they would have had the familiar bitch fest about how long it takes to change the oil. You'll never please everyone.
  14. 6USMC6

    6USMC6 R.I.P. Party Boss

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    Put a quickoildrainvalve.com in your 9x0 oil tank and you can change the oil without pulling the fuel tank.
    With the exception of the first service, the screen in the oil tank need only be cleaned when the valves are adjusted.
  15. Scutty

    Scutty Been here awhile

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    Errrrr because 70% of KTMs business is off-road bikes????
  16. DavidD

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    Well I have just seen and sat on the 1190R and the standard bikes at the UK show, I was hoping to get to Milan but unfortunately work got in the way :cry

    Anyway as a fully committed 990 owner, (I had the S before I got my R) I am very impressed, so much so that I am buying one.

    The standard bike looks nice enough and well thought out and will I think be a great road touring machine; one that will easily cope with gravel fire roads and the gentle off road stuff. I also think it will help bring in new riders to KTM, perhaps those that don't want to follow the GS herd anymore. But for me it is just not 'KTM' enough - I can't define that, but it looks a little bland and similar to other adventure bike offerings - that said I still think it will beat other bikes in the comparison tests that will start appearing in the bike magazines next year. It looks very accomplished but has somehow lost the 'edgy Red Bullness' that KTMs are famed for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h1e9oulMd8

    The 'R' version though is something else and very much what KTM is about - it feels and looks like my enduro bike with the thicker handlebars and the fantastic orange frame.

    In terms of ergonomics, when you stand on the pegs, it feels natural and that you could easily steer with your knees which are closer together than on my 990. I can also get the balls of my feet on the floor (5' 10" and 31 inch inseam) as opposed to my tip toes on the 990, which feels better. Also the seat feels more supportive, but only a 2 hour ride would confirm that.

    I think it is a natural development of what we have been used to and something that has not lost its Dakar heritage or kudos. The KTM staff on the stand had ridden the pre-production models and praised the power delivery and massively improved braking compared to the 990 - something we all know could have been better.

    It will need the Powerparts alloy bash plate and the Akra exhaust, I would also change the sprockets to something better, and the front mudguard would look better in white, but these are minor niggles.

    It is a bike that is there to be used and abused; if you are ruled by your head then get the standard bike - you won't be disappointed and your wife, partner or special friend will say that looks like a nice sensible bike.

    But if you are ruled by your heart then the 'R' version is for you and a whole new world of adventure awaits.....................:D
  17. KMC1

    KMC1 There is no spoon.

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    I hope they make enough of these things... I simply can't wait. I hope it's priced reasonably as well. It'd be a shame to see such a great machine priced out of the reach of those of us who will actually use it.
  18. TIGERRIDER007

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    Thanks for sharing that news DavidD!
    I, like others, am hoping that our brothers across the pond will keep those ride reports coming, maybe even a few photos as the first of the year gets rollin'! :evil
    I'm totally excited about this bike, and I would be a new fan of KTM if the price is right and the ride is what I think it might be...this would keep my 955 Tiger company in the stable.

    Bring on the knobbies, oh, and the ride reports! :D
  19. BillyD

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    Well, Scutty, that is precisely my point…

    The 950/990 and, soon, the 1190 all address the “Adventouring market” (KTM’s terminology, not mine).

    At the other end, KTM has done a remarkably good job of offering for sale purpose-built production models tailored for each and every micro-slice of the competitive dirt bike and dualsport market segments. (To me, this is the 70% segment to which you refer)

    But they offer no single-cylinder, long distance (>200 miles between gas), off-road adventure/rally model that exploits their success at the Dakar.

    So, in this sense, their investment in the Dakar is simply wasted or, at very least, under utilized. Applying the Dakar moniker to the big twins is little more than marketing hyperbole and I posit that the true dirt bike market segments simply don’t care much about the Dakar.

    Re-reading my comment, I can see why you might have gotten that impression, but I really didn’t mean to imply anything about their relative off-pavement capabilities…

    If anything, I would have implied that the 1190 will almost certainly be better on-pavement than the 9x0 bikes.

    Off-pavement, I suspect the 1190 and 9x0 will be pretty much in the same ballpark in all but the more technical off-road sections.

    Notice the distinctions: On-pavement, Off-pavement (i.e., gravel roads, jeep trails), Off-road (trails, gravels washes, sand dunes, etc.). "On-Road", to me, implies both paved and gravel roads.
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  20. SwedishViking

    SwedishViking Been here awhile

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    Thanks for your report. I went with my heart; I am supposed to take delivery in February (and the GS goes).