2014 DL1000 Vstrom

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by The Game, Sep 11, 2012.

  1. PWRCRZR

    PWRCRZR Grumpy Old Bastard

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    For a trip to South America I would take a KLR650 over most any bike...simple, easy, reliable.

    I use a big ADV bike strictly as an all road touring bike for my wife and I so a shaft drive would be nice. I really just like the big ADV's for their ergo's. a sport tourer would more suit my end use of that bike.

    For now my KLR650 does most of my ADV type riding
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    Suzuki has made shaft drive bikes in the past and offers some cruisers that are shaft drive.

    But I think the sportier bikes shy away from that. The Ducati Multistrada, Triumph Tiger 1050, New KTM Adventure are all heavier on the sport and lighter on the touring, and all have chain drives. I think Suzuki will maintain that focus, especially after Honda's shaft-drive middleweight failed.

    A buddy has an interesting approach. He doesn't believe lubricating modern chains does any good so he doesn't do it. And he seems to replace his chains no more frequently than anyone else. So if you follow his approach, you get a lighter, more responsive bike and replace chain and sprockets every 20-30,000 miles. Other than an occasional adjustment, that's it.
  3. Pecha72

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    Getting OT, but 20-30 thousand miles on a chain without ANY external lubrication? Can't say I'm buying that, but of course everybody's free to try their luck.
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    external chain lubrication keeps the o-rings from drying out and loosing internal lubrication
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    garandman Wandering Minstrel

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    :huh And if he has an X-Ring chain?

    Suzuki’s bringing back the V-Strom 1000 - HellforLeather.

    :rofl

    Interestingly, Suzuki doesn't mention that the DL1000 hit the market before the DL650 in this snippet from their PR.

  6. K0m4

    K0m4 Been here awhile

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    Actually, didn't think it would be, but that photoshop of the front end is even uglier than the concept bike! I still am waiting to pass judgement on the lights: is it really that inconceivable that the light can have an output on par with the old? It's a decade between them in development after all.

    As for chains, I am sooo happy they stuck with it. When I was in the market for a super tenere, this was the biggest pill to swallow (as it turned out, Yamaha solved the problem by not wanting to sell it to me).

    Honestly, I think I'm gonna buy it. There would have to be some very dissapointing specs coming out, and/or a very disappointing test ride for me to step away from this bike.
  7. Pecha72

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    The 650 came in 2004, the 1000 in 2002. Strange, that those who made them, already forgot :lol3
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    PWRCRZR Grumpy Old Bastard

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    I agree that sportier bikes tend to lean towards chain drive, GS and Tiger 800's are as well. Weight savings and ease of gear changing are two very good reasons.

    Having a chain drive would not be a deal breaker for me as I have only owned chain driven bikes.

    As for maintenance, I lube my chains when they get noisy or before a road trip. Adjust once in a while. My factory chain on the DL went 18,000 miles and I am sure I could have gotten more but I often change things out early.


    but that photoshop of the front end is even uglier than the concept bike!

    Agreed!
  9. Kawidad

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    Not to mention the production costs of a shaft vs. a chain. Personally, I'm glad it comes with a chain instead of a beemer style shaft. (Final drive issues are REAL) The more I see this bike, the more I like it and think Suzuki has done something really good and promising. :freaky
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    Actually I wonder, why no manufacturer has made an ADV bike with a “boxed” or enclosed chain drive?? It has only a few small downsides: takes a bit more work to adjust it, and it could make changing tyres a bit harder (that however depends on the solution).

    But on the other hand, it has more or less all the upsides: simplicity, weight (the box does not need to weight much at all), and durability fully comparable to a shaft drive (I mean the good ones, that you DON´T need to work on too often!) Plus when it is inside a box, on oil bath and lubricated 100% all the time, it won´t get dirty, and the need to even adjust it becomes very small. So regarding maintenance, it is almost like a well-working shaft drive.

    Maybe it is a cost issue on a bike like the DL1000 (but I don´t believe it would be on all current large-capacity allroad-bikes). Also maybe all buyers would not like the looks of it. But if I was looking for a bike to go RTW, this kind of solution would be in one word perfect for me, and I could not care less about its looks.

    There used to be enclosed chains on bikes, but that was a long time ago. Maybe the manufacturers don´t actually want the chains to last 40-60 thousand miles afterall, and the average user doesn´t care, if they last 20 or 40 thousand. But on a real RTW-tourer, this would be the way to go.
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    OK...so I've seen it in real life yesterday on Intermot.

    It does not look that bad. Kinda bearable if you do not look at 3/4 view. Rear strongly resembles BMWs GSes somehow closer to 800 GS.
    Front strongly resembles multistrada with Diavel headlight.
    Luggage they show on photos WILL make it very ugly. Without it - MUCH better.
    Rest...
    They used totally usual DL1000 motor and arrangement in it. Perhaps because it is concept.
    Oil rad still hangs low-low, everything still quite exposed. Spacers, rear brake holder - all machined as one-off, you can see it - unpainted alloy with signs of machining.
    Cockpit...that's where it gets ugly. It is large dull flat piece of plastic with clocks stuck in the middle surrounded by loads of empty plastic surface. I hope they will do something about it, as it looks kinda...like real cheap car door panel.

    Rest - to be tested when available.
    I hope it will be all you looking for guys! Best of luck. No sarcasm.
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    Here's a good look at the enclosed chain system on my slightly modified XV920 Yamaha.
    I rode this on a 13,500 mile round trip and had 0 chain issues. The Shinko tires I used did not do well in mud though.
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    M0t0Rider Been here awhile

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    Ahhhhh....much better!
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    Sorry, don't agree. :freaky

    To me, the front end Suzuki uses on the new concept looks like they might have actually done some wind tunnel testing, whereas, we all know about the buffeting from previously built bikes. :evil
  15. Pecha72

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    There have been much less complaints about the buffeting on the 2012 Wee.

    I still think the final 2014 Vee is going to have more resemblance to the newest Wee, than that concept bike has.
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    After reading all of the looks comments I had to make sure I wasn't in a Harley thread on Road Warriors...:lol3

    I like the new bike just fine, but it's not one I would trade my '05 Tiger for.

    When I do get another adventure TOURING bike it will have a shaft drive. :deal
  17. opmike

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    I really don't understand all the outrage about the design. All adventure bikes are just varying degrees of ugly, and for me, that's part of the charm in some way.

    The only thing I'd like to see done differently are a change to dual headlights for both light output and to keep the V-Strom look, and something needs to be done about those passenger pegs. It looks like they'd get bent in a tip over from that head-on shot. Personally, I'd like to see the exhaust hanger/passenger pegs designed as bolt-on components, and not welded to the subframe.

    Twilight's photochop was really well done, and I'd like to see something along those lines for the production unit.
  18. switchback

    switchback Eatin' Dirt Since 1982

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    Don't you know, those who don't ride enough have plenty of time to bitch. :rofl Shaft vs. chain, beak no beak... it has been said about most others as well. If it performs well we will all be better off having more options to choose from.
  19. RaY YreKa

    RaY YreKa Palanquins RTW

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    The 'concept' front end looks all marketing led, rather than utility led.

    It is what is is: MS1200 sells, so make a MS1200-a-like front end. Voila, sales gold! :D

    I guess if you have to hit quarterly sales-targets, then you will latch on to whatever sold well last quarter for your competitor?

    Dealers/techs might do well from riders who do 12,000+ miles a year, but for the manufacturers I really doubt they give a fig once the warranty is up.
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    Just came back to this thread... Man do I like beeing right and see you regretting your words :lol3.