2014 Indian "Thunder Stroke" 111 V-Twin

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by Hughlysses, Mar 10, 2013.

  1. PhilB

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    The state of the art has moved far on, though. The Chief wasn't a cruiser then, but it would be today, because we now have touring bikes far more advanced. In the same way, H-D's Sportster was a creditable sportbike in the '50's and '60's, but today's Sportster, even though it is faster and better handling than the original version, is not considered anything like a sportbike, because we now have sportbikes far more advanced.

    I'd like to see Polaris with a full range of bikes, where you could go to a dealership and get a good bike in any segment of the market, like the Japanese manufacturers do. I don't care a lot whether some of them are called Victory and some Indian, or which ones. It sounds like they will steer Indian towards the heavy cruiser segment. If they do that, and treat it more-or-less like Yamaha's Star brand, and that frees them to move Victory more towards other market segments, that could work fine.

    Like most things, we'll just have to wait and see.

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  2. Tripped1

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    No where for a third bike at the moment.
  3. JerryH

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    My '72 Pinto wagon has a 2.0 liter OHC inline four, made in Germany. I rebuilt it a couple of years ago (yep, parts still available) It runs fine, but pushrods would have worked just as well. Only bad thing about it was the carb, which I replaced with a Weber. There is one nice thing about OHC on a car, and that is that they are usually belt driven, and the belts are easy to inspect and replace. (I'm running mine with no cover) A pushrod motor requires you tear into it to replace the timing chain and sprockets, which last about as long as a belt.
  4. Hughlysses

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    A 1972 Pinto?! :eek1

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    :lol3
  5. kraven

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  6. Kelvininin

    Kelvininin Been here awhile

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    Thats almost as classy as my Diesel Chevette
  7. Hughlysses

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    Attempting to steer this thread back on-topic...

    Pushrods don't automatically mean timing chains vs belts. Last time I checked (it has been a while) NASCAR runs timing belts on their pushrod V-8's. The belt helps damp out harmful harmonics in the valve train, letting them rev higher than they could with a timing chain.

    The S&S X-Wedge V-twin (which has several similarities to the new Indian engine), mentioned several times in this thread also uses belt drive on its cams.

    Why'd Indian use a chain? I'd guess a lot of potential buyers probably still prefer them, and like the latest final drive roller chains, the latest cam chains probably last a lot longer than they used to, so that they may have superior life to belts.
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    ^Now EVERYONE is going to want one:lol3
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    I thought it was pretty slick how they used 3 cams. :evil
  11. DESERT SCORPION

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    But not as slick as the old flathead engines that used only two single-lobed cams to operate all the valves. The front cam operates both intake and exhaust for the front cylinder, and the rear does the same for the rear cylinder. all gear driven and very compact. :nod

    THE SCORPION
  12. Hughlysses

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    Here's another slick cam drive setup for a V-twin; a single cam drives all four lifters and the pushrods are parallel:

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    More about the engine: http://thekneeslider.com/drysdale-godzilla-v-twin/

    I like the "master-and-slave" connecting rods (like a radial aircraft engine) too:

    [​IMG]
  13. Tripped1

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    I like.

    All it needs is a radiator.
  14. JerryH

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    I like it, without the radiator. Classic motorcycle engines should not have radiators. They have worked fine for over a century without them. What I specifically like about that engine is everything appears to be gear driven, no chains to break. As the owner of a bike with no less than 4 cam chains, I love the idea of a motor without any. I'm fairly sure that chain failure is what will eventually kill my motor.

    And I have a Chevy truck with a small block that has an aftermarket geared cam drive. Fits right under the stock timing cover.
  15. ph0rk

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    You can get a much more efficient engine with water cooling. High compression with 87 octane is an awesome thing.
  16. Hughlysses

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    Then why does my air-cooled 1200cc Buell get 45-50 MPG, while the water-cooled 1125CR (1125cc) I had never break 35 MPG? Water cooling may be "more efficient" in terms of horsepower, but in terms of true thermal efficiency, not so much.
  17. Hughlysses

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    Interesting interview with the Polaris Industry's VP of Motorcycles:

    http://cyclenews.uberflip.com/i/139559/78

    A couple of tid-bits: apparently they will eventually produce a Scout, and they may have other engine configurations in the future.
  18. larryboy

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    Sadly he sees the Victory side as the "performance" brand of their operation, completely opposite of what Indian once was. I myself see Victory as the geezer side like Harley with their geezer bikes, Indian is a blank page that should lean to the hot rod side of things.
  19. kraven

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    Couldn't agree more. The Indian moniker is associated with big brass balls and horsepower.
    Victory has been trying to be the middle child running around shouting "hey, look what I can do!" for years now. They make a good product, but still haven't managed to hit a nerve in the market with a breakout product.

    They should be the road couch division while Indian gets the heat.
  20. concours

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    My opinion, as worthless as it may be, is, Polaris will dump tens of millions of cash into this venture... with scant little reward. They have been doing OK in this down economy selling ATV's and sleds, Victory doing well. The market for yet ANOTHER nostalgia bike is drying up as people old enough to give a fuck are dwindling in numbers. Soooo, after burning dumptruck loads of cash, it will fail as a business venture. Polaris may survive, but much weaker. Hopefully they won't wait too long to cut their losses. :deal