2014 Subaru Forester vs 2013 Honda CRV

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by gec343, Jan 13, 2013.

  1. OConnor

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    My sister had a 2005ish CRV that was a lemon, mainly suspension issues.
    I have a 2001 Forester that has been flawless except for the rear window sill rust which seems to plague that body style. I will definable look at Subaru when it's time for replacement.
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  2. Andrew

    Andrew Optimus Primer Super Moderator

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    Fair enough - I bet it holds up better than my 2000 Forester 5-sp. The added legroom, especially, sounds good, though I expect it all comes at expense of taller and bigger.

    How soon before Subaru brings their diesel boxer over?
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  3. gec343

    gec343 Been here awhile

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    How soon before Subaru brings their diesel boxer over?[/QUOTE]

    I agree. I'm waiting for the 2015 Forester, thinking the diesel might enter the U.S.

    Being the original poster, let me say, I'm now about 97% sure that my choice will be a 2014 or 2015 Forester, but will not make the final decision until details of the 2015 are out! I like the anticipation, which will help me make it through this Michigan Winter.
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  4. OhBoy

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  5. seuadr

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    i just got rid of my 2006 forester - i miss it already, but my mom needed a car she can get around in, and i'll be damned it i have ever owned another car that went better in weather than that forester. 160k miles on it when i handed the keys over to her and all it has had done is regular maintenance (which, in the interest of full disclosure meant a new timing belt at 130k, guess it was supposed to be done at 90-100k)

    the only thing i like better about my replacement vehicle (2008 F350) is that i no longer feel as vulnerable to any other vehicles on the road (crew cab, long box, i'm like 60% of a fricken semi tractor :rofl )
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  6. skysailor

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    Living in the north, at the bottom of a driveway we call the "Matterhorn", if it's not a Subaru, we don't buy it. Plain and simple. I have a '04 4X4 GMC, but my wife's car is a '13 Outback! I'm thinking of trading the GMC on either a Forester or some smaller Subaru.
    Subaru.....nothing else will do.
    Lyle
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  7. eakins

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    i've owned 3 over the the years. if Subaru would fix their biggest on going problem with their vehicles i'd buy another: ice packing in the wheel wells. WTF Subaru??? You guys ever live with your cars in snow country? Maybe the snow in Japan does not built up.

    it amazes me how after all these years of people complaining, Subaru still has very little clearance between the body and tires. in Colorado (prime Subaru country!) we see snow, then melt, then refreeze every day. This is prime ice wheel well packing conditions. If you don't park in a heated garage expect to have ice rubbing your tires the whole winter w/ any Subaru. old times carry a hammer in their cars. sure it's great 4wd but their wheel well design sucks!

    ...so what did i replace my Subaru with a, 2002 CRV EX AWD...tons of wheel well room.
    zero ice rubbing against the tire ever since.

    also i like how i sit upright with the CRV in a normal sitting fashion. with most Subarus you sit down in with your legs outwards in a cruiser fashion. you fall into a Subbie, while you sit upright, like an ADV bike, with a CRV. the new Subbies are better but still the same. rear passenger room is much better in the CRV from what i've seen. if the forester got to the same ergos as the CRV and the same wheel well clearance, i'd consider.

    i check out the new model Subarus ever year and look to see if they increased the wheel well spacing; every year the same dumb ice-packing design.

    the other necessity with any winter driving, proper tires. i'd say even more important than even having 4wd/awd! i'm a fan of Toyo Observes. The use walnut shells, rubber and tread design for traction. They wear incredible when using only below 65 deg. Unlike those over rated Blizzacks, the tire compound is through 100% of the tire. Even worn down low you still are getting the traction from walnut shells and rubber compound. Blizzacks wear down 1/2 and then they are nothing but expensive all-season tires. The tire guys i've talked to in the know and who are honest all say Toyo.
    http://toyotires.com/tires/winter-snow-tires
    http://toyotires.com/tires/winter-snow-tires
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  8. eakins

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    i have no experience driving a RAV4 but the 2.4L Honda motor is a gem.
    the Vtec pulls like a much bigger motor at low rpm and then changes to a faster revving smaller motor at higher rpms. it's seamless and it's almost like you have 2 motors in there. i know the VFR guys hate vtec in their bikes, but it works in a vehicle engine. mpg is solid for what it is and cruises the highway nicely. it has plenty of power. kinda like a 650 strom motor. enough to keep to smiling, but the big engine guys will thumb their nose at it. i'm sure the v-6 rav4 motor is a screamer but at more fuel used in the real world.

    best part of the Honda motor is it has a chain not a belt so no $$$ maintaining needed. change iridium plugs at 100K and that's about it. not a fan of timing belt engines and the $ the cost you to maintain when there are great motors out there w/o belts.
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  9. eakins

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    when the time comes, i'll more than likely but a used current gen CRV.
    love the looks and it's Honda solid. gen 3 CRV are kinda funky looking.

    for now i'm happy with my paid for gen 2 w/ a 5spd and honda element wheels:
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  10. SourKraut

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    My dad has that exact car right down to the color and loves it. We had to use it once to extract my subaru from a snowbank when the "traction control" killed forward progress on my steep icy driveway. Would have made a great Honda ad! :lol3
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  11. I_FLY_LOW

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    Good luck finding one....
    Bullet proof, four cylinder, no bells and whistles.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_armored_car :lol3
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  12. Stobie

    Stobie Mr. Motivated

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    We've had an '05 auto since new, now with 233,000+ miles. Repairs so far are radiator fan, condenser fan, starter, and some solenoid in the VSC system; all electrical stuff, none of it stranding us. All other costs have been routine scheduled maintenance. Not bad.

    It's the wife's daily driver, and she is just now starting to even notice newer cars, but says she'll drive the CR-V as long as she feels like she can trust it. Even when she decides to get something new, we'll probably keep the CR-V, because it will still be better than its value.
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  13. skysailor

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    Traction control on a Subaru....won't it do a better job climbing an icy slope with the traction control turned OFF?
    Lyle
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  14. skysailor

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    We had a 1998 Outback that would literally go anywhere! My wife's brand spanking new 2013, won't make it up our driveway. As soon as the TC kicks in, the thing becomes stationary. Here we have something called "traction" control, that we have to turn OFF to get any traction? Subaru had it right a decade ago, but just had to fuck with it???
    Lyle
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  15. EmmEff

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    This isn't a "problem" limited to Subaru.

    FWIW, I run undersized wheels for my snow tires (16" vs. stock 17") on my WRX and there's still build up. My Honda Accord was the same... it's not a Subaru problem.

    First I've heard of it and we don't have a lack of Subarus around here in the snow belt on Ontario, Canada.
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  16. RedRocket

    RedRocket Yeah! I want Cheesy Poofs

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    TC helps traction Except on ice. That's why there's an OFF switch
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  17. SourKraut

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    Yes, I had neglected to defeat it which resulted in getting badly stuck. It is way too intrusive. Those of us that grew up driving in snow with none of the electronic "aids" have no trouble, if we remember to defeat the gizmo.
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  18. gec343

    gec343 Been here awhile

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    When I first bought my 2010 Pontiac Vibe AWD, I got the thing mired in deep snow. I was stranded in a remote area, which was not good. I had not been informed of the TC by the dealer, however, while sitting there wondering what to do, I decided to read the manual while waiting for assistance, plow truck, etc. That is how I discovered that the TC must be deactivated when stuck, etc. Once deactivated, the Vibe was no longer stuck!!
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  19. haines99

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    Just spent a very significant amount of time researching Subie's, CRV, CX5, RAV, etc. We wanted a small SUV we could live with at the best price. I have 5 other vehicles that cost me a fortune in gas - Tahoe, Jeep Wrangler, 4Runner, two Chevy 4x4 pickups. My primary goal on this one was reliability, gas mileage, reasonable features ... essentially basic transportation and out the door cost. Narrowed it down to CRV EX FWD and Forester Premium - not apples to apples comparison as the CRV does not have AWD. This is in line with what the OP is looking for.

    We liked the Forester better, and with AWD, styling, and features was the desired choice, but the major factor for us in deciding between this and the CRV was price. I used all the usual tools and methods to negotiate the price on both as low as I could (emailed internet managers for best price, truecar, Subaru partner price, etc). Got the CRV for $2400 cheaper than the Forester. Subaru dealers in Atlanta could not or would not deal on just the price factor between the 2 models.

    We really like the CRV, and as a value shopper this was the best choice for us.
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  20. RedRocket

    RedRocket Yeah! I want Cheesy Poofs

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    A 10% difference in price is a big factor.
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