2014 Yamaha Triple: FZ-09 / MT-09

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by Paulvt1, May 31, 2013.

  1. Bueller

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    Anyone who doesn't agree Yamaha is targeting Triumph with this platform is delusional. This is aimed squarely at the T800 roadie purchaser, and for good reason. The T800 is considered a strong success.
  2. NateLePain

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    I agree in part. Triumph has done a terrific job with their triple variants. Where I disagree is the idea that the major motorcycle companies will invest the time and resources required to design, market, inventory and manufacture all the components that go into distributing/selling/supporting a motorcycle worldwide, simply because they want to be like their competitor(s). I suspect this bike and any subsequent variants have been years in the making, with only minor regard for Triumph's success.

    Thx...nlp
  3. mrbreeze

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    I hadn't thought about Triumph at all - I thought about the Wee-Strom. Rougly the same price. Maybe it's just because I just bought a 2012 DL650 Adventure. If I had known this bike was coming, I might have waited.
  4. elamofo

    elamofo Been here awhile

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    That's an artist's rendition, not an actual bike.

    Not that I wouldn't like to see one like that.
  5. PeteN95

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    The Streetfighter has an 848 motor with 20HP and 4ft/lbs more than the FZ or the Hyper. It is also 2lbs heavier than the Hyper, 25lbs more than the FZ. And it is more than $5k more than the FZ. I'd rather have the FZ and a nice used dirt bike!
  6. Gryphon12

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    I believe that the Duc 848 Streetfighter was developed from the 848 Supersport specifically to get Ducati into the mid-sized "street-fighter" (performance-naked, with a "back street" look) market. While this market was home-grown by riders stripping-down performance (sport) bikes from their plastic, Triumph and Aprilia "made" the factory side of the market with the STR, S3, and Tuono.

    With the success of the "street-fighter" market in general, and the love of nakeds throughout the world, including the US, and Yamaha's declaration of now trying to be more bold, I think that the FZ-09 (MT-09) is their attempt to capitalize on this huge market segment.

    Yamaha's desire to provide something new, but with potential longevity, has lead them to three-cylinder motors, at least for the non-Supersport (i.e. racing) classes. A new, useful, motor that can be tuned across a wide range, is a key part of the planning for the new motorcycles.

    Add the two together, and you get the FZ-09. And since Triumph and Aprilia were the first on the factory "street-fighter" band wagon, it is only natural that we compare them with the new FZ-09. Because Yamaha started with 847cc, we see comparison to STR, S3, Duc Street Fighter AND Tiger 800 Roadie.

    In a recovering world economy, this is just what the street motorcycle world needs to help revitalize interest in motorcycling and in motorcycle sales. Welcome back to the Game, Yamaha!
  7. Roadscum

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    When the competitors are very successful, they will do what it takes for a share of the market. Yamaha built the Super Tenere to go after a piece of the BMW GS market. The Yamaha triple is aimed squarely at the very succesful Triumph Triples, no doubt in my mind. As always YMMV!

    Regards, Paul
  8. Lurg

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    The whine comes from all triples, so I think you will get that here as well.
    Alot of hype around this bike now, and I can see why.
    Triumph has in my opinion at least ruled the mid weight "streetfigther" class with the Street Triple for some time now.
    Will be interesting to see if this can give it a run for it's money :lurk

    It has more power, but the striple weighs less.
    So it's a close race for sure.

    And this is a brand new motor and bike from Yamaha, so there might be a few bugs to get rid of :norton

    Still, it's going to be interesting to see the japans take on triples' that has been the European (triumphs..) go to solution for quite some time, and for many different models.

    And figures only tell one side of the story, can't wait to read every single versus between the two bikes in the hopefully very near future! :deal

    keeping one finger on the triple tho, cause I just bought one :evil

    One thing im pretty sure of tho, triple cylinder is the future! :ricky
  9. Motard_Menace

    Motard_Menace Been here awhile

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    They build that like the artist mock up and price it at $9999 they won't be able to build them fast enough. That looks sweet.....


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  10. Paulvt1

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    As the old TDM has finally stopped production, and the head of the FJR refresh project has hinted of a mid size FJR, i hope that the triple will find it's way into a lightweight touring bike. Like a BMW F800GT that doesn't spend a lot of time in the shop....
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    The "whine" doesn't come from all triples or engines for that matter. It comes from something (camshafts, alternator, etc.) being driven by a gear.
  12. huron52

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    I sat on one yesterday.... I could flat foot it. It is too bad they are going to scrap to proto types they are showing around...I like the instrutment cluster.
  13. victor441

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    True....from what I've read Triumph uses straight cut rather than bevel primary gears and that is where the whine comes from...it does not bother me on my Tiger 955 but some find it annoying. The demo video of the new Yamaha being started and reved has no whine. The weight difference between the Yamaha and the Triumph 800 is closer to 100 lbs. if both have all fluids added, full tanks, etc. The only difference I've read of between the MT and FZ versions is that the MT will get LED turnsignals since they are legal in Europe.


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  14. Gryphon12

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    Make that "like a BMW F800S..."
  15. bungie4

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    I was at the Canadian FJR Rally in Huntsville Ont this past weekend. Yamaha was good enough to bring in 2 2013 FJR's for demo rides (velly nice!). But they also brought this in.

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    No, they wouldn't let me ride it. But believe me, it feels like 415lbs. Very sweet. They did let me start it up. It sounds like a 4 below 4000 but turns into a triple above that.

    Interesting VIN on it too.

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    Definitely pre-production for the show circuit. To bad it'll be crushed afterwards.

    I'd love this bike, but I'd love an 'FJR' based on it more.
  16. MCGMB

    MCGMB Been here awhile

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    Bungie4, is there anything about the bike that you noticed in addition to what can be told by just looking at the pictures? I mean was it more or less than what you thought it would be, or different in some way?
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    Great question. I'd like to hear the answer, too.
  18. bungie4

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    Pretty much exactly what you would expect given the price point. The seating position is surprisingly roomy given the size - and you can see the gear I'm wearing so for it to have some extra space is pretty remarkable. Seating feels very much like a Ducati Hypermoto, at least the view out front. Gauges seem small and a bit on the gee-whiz tacky side.

    The bike is VERY narrow at the waist. Those of short of stature will have an easy time of making the bike fit them. Probably just a set of links and maybe drop the fork tubes to match. One of the girls (who rides an FJR) is probably 5'4 and was able to get the balls of her feet down solidly. Just for reference, I'm 5' 9" so it'll give you some idea of the layout/ergos.

    I did notice that access to the oil filter is directly behind the pipes, expect to burn your hands/wrists if your the type who drains warm oil like me.

    The bike definitely has a presence especially when it's running. This was a group of FJR guys who had 2 2013's all to themselves (unsupervised 30 minute demo rides WOOHOO!) but they were all drawn to this bike.

    I damn near begged them to just let me take it around the parking lot, but no go.

    At idle, the bike sounds GREAT, then turns all 4cyl then it turns back into a triple in the midrange. Imagine an R6 with a can on it with a good set of quiet baffles. It's louder than an any other stock japanese bike I can recall.

    At the end of the day, without a test ride I really can't add much more to it. It definitely doesn't feel like it weighs much more than my CBR250R. Crazy.
  19. medisyn

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    How tall are you bungie4? Also how did the leg room and seat feel? Main reason I want this bike is on paper it has a pretty reasonable seating position.
  20. Motard_Menace

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    In his previous post he said 5'9" for reference.....