2017 A4DE cancelled.

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  1. tHEtREV

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    :eek2 only 57 entries recieved (prior to close of entries)... for what is (supposedly) the biggest single event on the annual Australian enduro calender. Astonishing.
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    Yeah but half of those would have been Huskys...
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    Sad indeed, but the headline further down that reads " Yamaha takes LOINS share of Manufacturers Crowns at Motul MX Nationals on 23rd August is a bit weird...
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    Not sure what happened then.

    Its unfortunate that all the bike makers aren't into the enduro scene with their bike development and back up like years ago. Paris Dakar I think suffered from the same problem in the end where a single brand covers most entries.

    It becomes a bit bland to spectators and sponsors overall.

    Same happened with V8 Supercars and F1.

    Has the event ever been cancelled before?

    Do they normally use this event to select places on the ISDT teams.

    Edit. Found this. ISDT is on the end of this month.
    http://www.fullnoise.com.au/news/in...: Women’s World Trophy Team Set for 2017 ISDE

    http://www.mcnews.com.au/team-australia-head-france-fight-isde-honours/
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    Aren't Yamaha winning everything lately?

    Of the top of my head I know they won the Finke and the Sunrasyia safari.
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    The CDR Yamaha and YAMAHA blu cru MX teams are certainly putting the fight to the orange crowd in the Oz MX scene this year... Yamaha also has a pretty healthy "off road" presence at the AORC and Finke... what do the other manufacturers inn Oz front with as far as "pro" teams go currently though...? :dunno anyone...? :ear

    While I understand you comments on the "orange infestation" (enduro/mx start lines here in Sweden have been a sea of citrus fruit for the last ten years or so... until the recent Swedevarna resurgence of the last two years).

    But still baffles me that ONLY 57 ENTRIES were recieved?

    I get your point that a monochromatic entry field might be a bit stale for spectator numbers (and therefore sponsors) to attract... but enduro has never raelly been a spectator driven sport - it derives it's popularity from the number of entrants (okay... a notable exception could be extreme/stadiumcross type enduro event)...

    But still - the Australian Four Day Enduro has it's roots back to the late 1970's - when John Hall spearheaded the idea, in order to give Aussie competitors a taste of ISDE type competition.

    I believe it is the A4DE and AORC series - in the last ten years - that has led to the increase in Australia's position on the international enduro scene - resulting in ISDE success (various individual and team wins) and World Championship victories...

    I thought (based on what I'd seen/heard in recent years about the AORC and A4DE) that the Oz enduro scene was on a roll...

    ... but 57 entries seems incredibly low. I can understand why the Toowoomba club (host organiser of the 2017 A4DE) pulled the pin.

    Yammie does seem to be on the warpath... :nod
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    I know that in recent years there has been a lot of debate/discussion about the timing of the A4DE in relation to both the ISDE and the various AORC rounds (in Australia). There are pro's and con's both ways I guess... back in the "old days" the original four day was run around easter... obviously that created a conflict with so many other things scheduled over the traditional holiday period... And while (once upon a time) the A4DE had a certain role in "selecting" the Oz trpphy and junior Trophy teams... I think that these days, it is the riders (results), the industry (sponsors) and officialdom (MA) that select the team members - based on a (whole) season appraisal - and decision based on who is fit/capable at the time (an injury forced a change to this years Junior Trophy squad - only a week or two back).

    As far as the ISDE (which starts in France this next coming week) affecting the A4DE start numbers...? I dunno...? :dunno Not really (I don't think?) I mean, other that the four rider World Trophy team, three rider Junior Trophy and three rider Women's Trophy teams (10 riders in total)... how many other (trade or club team) riders travel to Europe to compete at the Six Day's... usually...? Maybe another dozen riders... at best? :scratch

    So I can't really see why that would create the shortfall in numbers...? I mean, considering that the top Oz riders (sponsored) would probably fly back after the ISDE to make an appearance at the Oz Four day in any case.

    57 entries from the whole of Australia's enduro community, is a pretty sad number... just as tREV said in the first post.
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    I am not 100% sure... I think that I can remember that maybe back in the early days it may have skipped a year once? :scratch (when the various state ACU's were bitching with each other), and there was one year it was in WA - and the entries were pretty thin (from east coast riders anyway). There is also (in the back of my melon) a feint idea that the A4DE was not run in 1992 (Cessnock ISDE) or in 1998 (Maffra ISDE) in order to focus efforts on hosting the "Six Day" those two years.

    Other than that- the A4DE has been a pretty stable part of the Oz enduro calender for over thirty years.

    It's a pity about the 2017 event...
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  11. GodSilla

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    Crikey.

    When I went to the 2007 A4DE at Coffs Harbour there was like 400-odd entries. That's only 10 years ago. And I gotta say it was pretty fabbo too. A really top show, well worth going to watch.
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  12. Simosez

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    it was definitely run in 98. That was the Oberon A4DE. Regarded as one of the best ever. It was put together by Chris Cater and the Hawkesbury club. We held the majority of the event at Forest Lodge.
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    That's a shame, i think its next year that its back to Cessnock for the anniversary. I know a few of the old guns are already discussing where they are running the course. Dunlop are even bringing out special tyres for the event designed to provide traction on old mattresses and car bodies.
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    I hate to say it, but could it be the venue that has made it untractive to entrants

    I dont know the exact course they would use but an enduro loop i saw there was very rocky and dusty
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    The website is saying first time cancelled in 40 years. What were the numbers like in Wynyard and Mansfield? I hope it's not a trend in enduro that many other sports are suffering from.
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    That event was popular because the riding and terrain are really good there
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    Good read @Cruz , kinda what I'd surmised. Heard some chatter about Mansfield being moved last year causing some to be a bit pissed off, and heard from Tassie mates about the "grass track" thing. I haven't competed in enduros since the early 90's and only at a local ( Tas) level, they were always tough but well patronised.

    Bit of a bugger for those volunteers who woulda put shit loads of time and effort in. Dealing with councils is not a thing I wanna do.
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    Forest Lodge... awesome place! (does it still exist... ie. still in operation as a riding park?). I rode there a number of times over the years... as I did a number of club events (mx, enduro, grass track days etc.) that were run by the Hawkesbury MCC. Never rode a track/course laid out by Chris Cater that wasn't top notch... good times.

    It seem's like it is getting harder to find good places and the volunteers to put these type of events together (a bit of a recurring theme on the DBW thread about the cancelled A4DE)...

    Hope that MA and those involved can turn it around for 2018...
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