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Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by Bill N, Mar 8, 2017.
JB is 5'8"...
You know, as much as I despise this "upgrade everything aftermarket to make the Harley rideable" mentality, if you love everything but the bars, just get it and change the bars. It's not like it's being shipped with apes...
Last year when HD released the Roadster they wined and dined motojournalists in France and let 'em ride on awesome roads. There reviews came back "I LOVE THIS BIKE!! "
Burns now spends a good part of his review complaining about the cold riding (or bike week traffic) and perfectly flat roads. Maybe Harley needs to go back to releasing all their new bikes in the south of France along with a big budget for booze and food.
Strange that he liked the original Street so much.
"I hate to be a jerk, but hasn’t anybody at Harley ridden a Triumph Street Twin or a Honda CB500F? Being able to go around corners and being comfortable are not mutually exclusive goals."
I did have high hopes for it...
"according to the tachometer (the one you can scroll to in the LCD panel), " - one up on Street Twin. Hooray?
Triumph Street Twin got unanimous raving reviews, and it is as far from a "killer race bike" as any Harley.
I look forward to what Rivzilla has to offer.
The big ol'boy was really excited about the Rod.
He gave a good review on the base model 750.
It's a HD, Bro.
Being comfortable is not as important as presentation.
Unlike, Yamaha (Bolt to SCR), HD did way more R and D with the Rod.
I salute them. We are going in the right direction. They have 49 bikes left to make bike that only comes around once every 25 years. That is a grand slam home run that everyone wants to own.
Best Standard is a good title to have.
The MOrons do lean heavy on modern technology and power and comfort.
On one comparison they will talk like $500 is important, and them on the next not give a damn about thousands of dollars.
They did not give ADV Bike of the year to the 2015 TIGER 800XC, but instead to the KTM 1599 ADV at $34,999
They are still my favorite group.
Being comfortable is important now. Times have changed. Why suffer, when one can get a bike at least as cool looking as HD but comfortable enough for 8 hours all-around riding? Just did it yesterday on my Street Twin - yay sunny Sunday in Seattle - and quite honestly, this is the bar Harley has to pass.
Yamaha Bolt, BTW, is comically uncomfortable to me.
Harley is definitely going in the right direction, but if they did half-assed job again, like the Roadster, it will fall flat, and they will retreat back into their comfortable shell. Maybe their bureaucracy sabotaged this project too for exactly that reason...
A much more positive review. And this from a guy who crashed his at 60 mph! Very encouraging to hear.
Scratch the name off the tank (if you can; there was only minor paint damage on the one I slid down a highway) and it is a bike that can hold its own price- and performance-wise against American, European, and Japanese competitors. It has better fit and finish than a Yamaha XSR700; its engine has more bad-assitude than a Triumph Street Cup; it handles better than an Indian Scout Sixty. And so on and so on.
After that, you can add the fact that, yeah, it is a Harley-Davidson. It is a real Harley-Davidson; a bike that looks and feels like a natural part of the company's ethos. Lemmy has said he will be surprised and disappointed if this model does not perform well. I will be, too. This is the bike people have been asking for. Meanwhile, Indian Motorcycle should definitely be concerned. It seems the resurrection of its old rival has reinvigorated Harley-Davidson and it is landing a big punch with a bike like this. The boys and girls in Milwaukee have promised to deliver 50 new models over the next five years – the Street Rod being one of the first. Goodness knows what else they've got up their sleeve.
More from the review:
After the incident (which I survived with only a few bruises because ATGATT), John Burns, who had been riding directly behind me, said: "I had been looking for an opportunity to test the brakes. Thanks."
Build and Features
Take a look at the photo above. That's what my bike looked like after the crash. Keen observers will note that it doesn't really look like a motorcycle that has hit an object at 60 mph, then slid some 300 feet across the pavement. Yeah, that mirror's scratched up and the peg's been shredded, but by and large it looks rideable. And, indeed, it was. When Harley-Davidson's chase truck arrived, the bike started on the first try and they were able to ride it onto the truck.
So, as I said at the beginning: this thing is built like a damn tank. And I can't help but love it for that. Even if I hadn't been able to put this bike to such an extreme test I would have been inclined to believe it would hold up for a long time. Take a look at forums for issues related to the Street 750 and you'll see that Harley-Davidson has addressed those problems in delivering the Street Rod. The mirrors are good; the brakes are good; there are no particularly ugly welds, or unsightly wires, or plastic badges that look like they came from a goodie bag at a child's birthday party.
This picture... Damn it's fine looking machine! With a flat seat...
The pegs on both this and the Roadster look all kinds of wrong, but I'll give Harley some slack, since this is their first time (in a long time) of trying to build a bike with cornering clearance.
Thin skin much.
Comfortable, competant and best looking are subjective....and they are writing for people that don't need "for a Harely" as a qualifier for everything about the bike. A bike that is too long and too low to deal with a tight switchback without scraping is NOT competent by most of the (non MoCo) motocycling world, comfortable is also up in the air. I would be more tired wrestling a Road King or Electraglide through my normal weekend ride than I would my KTM...and damn sure my Ducati Multistrada full bagger. I disdane Harleys and to a less extent their owners for that sort of bullshit, I don't think they look that cool, they are too heavy, don't have close to enough lean and a 1:10 power to weight ratio was cool and all in the 60s, but in the last 70 years there have been advances in motor design that should allow something better than 5,500RPM with a whopping 70hp, unless you want to buy a $40,000 CVO and get a whopping 100hp.
I want short, tall, and light. I am far from the best rider and if I am riding around the bike at all its insufficient for my use, which would include pretty much all of the MoCos offereing.
...oh yeah, and I have owned 2 myself and spent no less than 50,000 miles on my ex's pair, and Evo Ultra and rigid mount 1200 Sportster. Suffice it to say I have been.
Most miles ridden my ass I have a 115,000 mile 2000 Speed Triple, a 30,000 mile 2014 Super Duke R and a 17,000 mile 2012 Multistrada in the driveway right now, 1400 of those on the Multistrada were three days over the last two weekends in conditions and on roads that Harelys simply aren't good at. To the point one guy borrowed a Multistrada from a friend because he sold me his, and he didn't even want to attempt to keep up with his Ultra. Competent. Pft.
Harley's are probably not right for you. But they have steadily made progress since the Evo Ultra and rigid mount 1200 Sportster. My 2010 Ultra is the first Harley that I was willing to spend my money on although when the Fatboy first came out I thought it "looked" cool but not enough to buy one. Since I got my 2010 the Ultras have improved a lot but they look about the same.
I think that Harley listens to their customers. They always bring a lot of technical people to Daytona asking for feedback on the demos (they bring over 100 demo bikes). When the Rushmore bikes came out I asked about the best way to improve the suspension on my 2010 and someone found me a suspension engineer to talk to. I have noticed that the 2017 is even better, probably through listening to customer feedback.
For me the exhaust on the Street Rod is bad for no other reason than it messes with your right foot. If it bothers enough people I would expect Harley to change it eventually, or maybe they expect most people to upgrade with a slip on.
Yeah, great, I don't have to blow a grand on brakes suspension and chassis braces to get a tourer to go around a sweeper without wobbling at me (yeah, bagger wobble, been there, done that) Other wise its still an 890 (Harley curb weight) pound bike with a 32! degree lean angle and 64" wheel base.
Long, low, heavy.....none of these make for a pleasant riding experience. That is simple physics.
So my touring bike. 490lbs wet, 60" wheelbase, 150hp (by the by 45* design lean angle) that is stock no bags. I can stock another 100lbs, 73 liters in the side bags (lockable and waterproof), 48 liters in the tail case (same) and another 28 liters in the tank bag (water resistant with power) and the whole shebang weighs less loaded 2-up than an Ultra with a rider and noting in the bags.
In my excperience Harley wouldn't know what a good suspension was if it walked up and slapped them, that air-ride system was utter shit and my happiest day with the ultra was when I tore it out and replaced it with Traxxion bits that made the fork actually work
I chose my KTM over a Monster 1200S strictly because of the exhaust interfering with my right foot on the peg. That shit is unacceptable.
I would have had to agree with you about the Touring bikes, up until 2013. Flip through the catalog. They finally started fitting modern suspension on their Dressers.
So, in a round about way, with customers like you, Harley finally came around to the fact that they can't keep going the way they were going. People pay with their pocketbooks, and people were taking their business elsewhere.
You, like many others, weren't willing to live with that.
So, like the Japanese motorcycles forcing all other manufactures to die or change, all those decades ago, outside manufactures have forced Harley to revisit what path they are on.
A very good thing.
I am not waiting on more "revolutionary changes" like the M8 that Yamaha made with more power and without the liquid cooling in 2005.
.....oh and the loaded weight to come down under a half ton.
And call me when an Ultra comes with USD forks with 5ish (or better inches of travel) and a lean angle that busts 40 degrees.
Then we can talk modern suspension.
You have to remember that traditionally Harleys were made strictly to ride long stretches of American roads. It can handle twisties, but it is not made for European switchbacks in Alps, etc.. However in here they do have their roads and their crowd.
HD already came long way from 90's and even 2000's with ABS, TC and other modern electronics, and as long as the following is there, (and it is there so far), why bother to drastically redesign the entire brand.
S-Rod is a different approach aimed to younger and different crowd. Maybe when the "traditional" HD riders will die out there will be a new "cult". Time will tell. For now enjoy your ride.