Okay cool. Thanks gentlemen for the heads up. We're a slightly adventurous group, and don't mind turning around on occasion. I'll ask if folks want to try it, then have a back-up plan ready like Mr. Baldknob states. If the gate is open, can we assume that riding is acceptable to said landowner? Or, do folks open fire on riders on their land up there? We will gladly accept your local wisdom, and take the safest path for the group.