2017 trip geneva to greece via Romania

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  1. MonkeyHangerRider

    MonkeyHangerRider n00b

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    Planning a 2 to 3 week trip in 2017. I am in the UK but looking to ship the bike to Geneva to cut the boring bit out (could be changed).
    I am still refining the route, but highlights of the trip are:

    Trip itinerary would be 16-19 days and something like:

    Possibly ship bike from uk to geneva to avoid boring bit
    Flybto Geneva @18th Aug £86.00 BA from LHR Dep 6.45/9.20
    Riding;
    Lake Como 228
    Salzburg 281
    Zagreb 265
    Belgrade 280
    Valcea 253
    Trans Hw (really famous winding road in Romania) 95
    Sibiu 150 3 days Off Road Trail riding (Rental Bike)
    Constanta 337
    Istanbul 416
    Serres Rally (watching) 2 days
    Patras; Ferry to Venice
    Venice
    Geneva 360

    I am riding a KTM 1190 Adventure R and am 51 with some off road riding capabilities. I am looking for fellow travellers that are happy with 250-350 road miles per day, that like a couple of s on a night and a good laugh (nothing excessive).

    Anyone with suggestions on warnings or improvements, would love to hear.

    JOHN.




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  2. Wildman

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    Hi John

    I've been to Romania several times. Some thoughts:

    The Italian Lakes will be a car park in August. Be prepared for that.
    The Transfăgărășan gets really busy in August. Get up really early if you want to enjoy it. I mean really early. Don't forget the Transalpina too.
    Your distances seem high when you're down there. We only managed 202 miles the day we rode the Transfăgărășan this year, 224 and 225 miles the days either side.
    I stayed at the Argnantio, near Serres when it first opened a few years back. Decent value, friendly welcome, good food.

    Sounds like a cool trip. Have fun.

    Paul
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  3. petertakov

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    Hi John,

    Lake Como in August is basically sitting in traffic at 30C plus degrees heat.

    Zagreb, Belgrade & Constanta - I really don't see what you'll be doing there on a motorcycle as I am not aware of any particularly nice roads around these towns. Also it will be very hot as there are no mountains around.

    Speaking of hot - be prepared for 40 C without a single tree in sight (Seres) or sitting in traffic for hours (Istanbul). That said there are some nice roads north and south of Seres.

    Transalpina is much nicer to ride than the Transfagarashan and with considerably better road surface most of the time. Both are used as a picnic area by the locals on weekends and summer holidays and when I say picnic areas I mean literally - with hundreds if not thousands of cars parked on and by the road and people crossing all the time and everywhere as if it is a walkway in the park.

    In my opinion none of your destinations is particularly suitable for a motorcycle (or humans :-), especially in August, but then everyone's definition of motorcycle trip is not the same. If I were you, I would have spent all three weeks between Geneva and Ljubljana and go there in early July. If you really want go to Seres, you better turn south from Ljubljana and go through Croatia (but not the coastal road), Bosnia, Montenegro, Albania and the mountains of Northern Greece.

    Best,
    Peter
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  4. Constantinos

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    Hey guys. You seem to have fairly good knowledge of the Balkans. Would you say its safe to set up your tent in these countries? Are there organised camping sites like in western Europe? Thanks
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  5. robxxx

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    This is my 2 pence worth only! Feel free to do as you please.
    If you have only 19 days as a maximum, I think your pushing your luck on that itinerary. Dont bother with Zagreb/Belgrade/Venice. Take an Easyjet over a few long weekends if you want to see them. Your also doing 3 days in Sibiu, so take those days out of your 19. And the two days at your rally as well. So 14 days left. You also don't seem to mention Greece, other than the ferry to Venice. How long is that? 24hrs? So were down to 12 days. And don't forget that 250-350 miles a day on Balkan roads is not always possible. It took me a whole day to ride from Brasov to Timisoara a few years back.

    If your target is the rally and the off road in Sibiu, make them your priority and anything else is a bonus if time permits. The Balkans are a brilliant part of Europe, and i'm still trying to explore them. Have fun.
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  6. Wildman

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    Small hotels and guest houses in Romania are very inexpensive. What we paid for a campsite in Western Europe, is what we paid for a reasonable hotel in Romania and Bulgaria.
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  7. petertakov

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    I can speak for Bulgaria - there are organised campsites mostly by the sea but they will be crowded in August. If you stay away from the seaside and I strongly advise you to do so, hotels are quite a bit cheaper than in Western Europe and the food is much better and dirt cheap. You really don't need to camp. Also, I do not know the particulars of you route, but you should follow the mountain that crosses Bulgaria East to West (Stara Planina or the Balkan) - Veliko Turnovo, Gabrovo, Troyan, Plovdiv, Assenovgrad ... Something like that https://goo.gl/maps/86ZDnxCjjeG2
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  8. gseur

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    If you do your Trip, notice that Geneva/Italy Is quite boring. I can suggest you alternative. In north Italy too if you want to see nice little roads without to much traffic jam. But, very important by riding in the Alps,
    DON'T PLAN TO RIDE MORE THAN 300/350 KILOMETERS A DAY
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