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Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by eakins, Oct 20, 2016.
The DL650 is already a bit anemic and now a 250? Seriously this bike is just bad.
Having owned a DL1000 and 2 count 'em 2 DL650's, I can assure you the V-Strom is a GREAT bike.
But I am not crazy about this, ahem, "P-Strom" 250. I have read some terrible reviews of the GW250... but I have no first hand experience with the bike.
It would be a great bike to find if you were walking across the desert, but unless they can get at least hi 20's hp out of it they won't sell many, A bike must be able to run at highway speeds with a windshield and some headwind, for the normal man @200lb it takes more than sub 20hp to do it for more than a couple miles.
My sherpa won't do it at all unless there is no wind or hills, on a still day on flat road it will but it is all she has.
I suspect the low end torque on baby Strom would be better, but not enough power for highway and extra weight?
Think this will now show at some point in the US with all the other ADV-lite bike coming into the market?
Too heavy for a 250cc. The 250cc too small for carting luggage. Im amazed now dakar is limited to 450cc, there are no 450cc twins avalable. Now thats something that would sell like hot cakes
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I've been thinking of upgrading a bit from my TU250 and this might do the trick. I don't ride off road so the somewhat lower seat height (compared to other 250s of this style) and cast wheels are appealing. I believe the engine would meet my needs although the Kawasaki 300 seems significantly more powerful.
I suspect those predicting this bike will never make it to the U.S. are correct but as Eakins pointed out since BMW, Honda, and Kawasaki have offerings in this class perhaps Suzuki will take a chance. I believe it would likely sell more than the GW250 but that's not saying much.
I don't quite see the appeal of this bike either. I am all for smaller and lighter options that have touring features but this does seem a little too weakly powered for the weight. The versys 300 hits the mark pretty well but the honda 250s and this suzuki are just not enough for many of our highway stretches that are not always easy to completely avoid. I did the 250 shuffle and that led me to the 650 class which was too much. Don't get me wrong, I love more power and love my vfr but for the lightweight touring purpose, I think that 300-400cc range is closer to perfect. Honda should use the 300 motor in the new Rally and Maybe Suzuki could repurpose the drz400 motor for a little V-strom calling it the T-strom for thumper. At least that would make me smile.
The V twin of my two V-stroms was a real gem of a motor but this little strom is missing that as well.
All that is left is a comfortable perch on a bike going nowhere fast feeling heavier than it should. If slow is the point, give me a fat seat for a DR200S (100lbs lighter) and I will enjoy going slowly a little more and play in the dirt much more freely. When the going slows down to a certain point, the fancier luggage, fairings, and windscreens don't pull their weight anymore. I think folks in other countries with admitted real challenges are simply trying to play the adventure touring game and this type of bike is the result. Doesn't make the same sense everywhere and certainly not to me in wide open spaces.
IMO a 250 twin gear laden adventure bike doesn't have enough grunt down low.
The RX3 can pull it off but it is a 25 hp single.
Smallest doable adventure twins appears to be the 320's
So it is official: suzuki GSX250R and V-Strom 250 are coming to US
2017 Suzuki GSX250R and V-Strom 250 Coming to the U.S. - autoevolution
I find it at least a little surprising that this 250 twin only puts out 24hp. I wonder if it's tuned for low to midrange torque? ?
25hp isn't really more than 24...
320 adventure twin? As in Yamaha 321 twin?
^^^ my reasoning is that a 250 thumper got the low down grunt
A 250 twin not so much.
300 twins and up seem to be the minimum
Don't you mean BMW's copy of the 1988 Suzuki Dr750 beak? What has become, ironically BMW's stand out styling feature. It is weird how a bike so old can be so far ahead of it's time in styling. The real punchline of the joke is to look up bmw styling of the same era, and even the next decade until they just started tracing the desert express series of bikes.
That being said I would not scoff at any offer to ride any of the BMW's or Suzuki's. I just find it funny that people are always saying the other adv bike manufactures are copying BMW's styling. Suzuki is just bringing back their racing heritage with the new double beak styling.
The Suzuki website does show the GSX250R as a 2018 model, but still doesn't list the 250 Vstrom anywhere.
Let's hope they stroke it to 300cc for US market. and the hold up is due to spec rehash.
That would be a smart move for the US market.
But so would a TU400/450 or DRZ450f.i., and we are still waiting.
In IMHO I read and understand what your saying about horsepower low end grunt, etc,but after riding my 2013 GW250 I don't agree with the statement . I have a 30 L top case (Givi ) and just received Givi side racks for E-21s. Granted not a lot of luggage , but enough for my trips. I obviously am the Lone Ranger here by ownership, but I not sure of all the negatives, with out experiencing and riding one. No its not the perfect bike, which it appears everyone wants, but so far is not built. The current 250's have a lot to offer. I also own a TU 250X , and an R-3 . Very happy with all. I use the Givi cases on both 250s , need a top case rack for the R-3. My opinion only , but then I also rode a GZ 250 (Givi top case and saddle bags prior) all over. cms
A "normal man" doesn't weigh 200lbs. Americans are fat. Fat and lazy. The average guy in the US weighs 20lbs more than the average man in Canada...and those fuckers have poutine. We weigh 15lbs on average more than the sausage and beer inhaling Germans and 10 more than men in the UK, which is a country of maintenance alcoholics who eat blood pudding and meat pies 24/7.
American men are fat(our women are even fatter, statistically). Americans bitching about soft suspensions and low power need to walk past the Krispy Kreme without stopping for a dozen. I'm not saying that YOU are fat and lazy. Just making an observation about demographics. The Motorcycle Industry Council says there are only 35-40,000 dual sport motorcycles sold in the US each year. Meanwhile, Honda alone sells 17 million motorcycles worldwide annually. The majority of those are sub250cc bikes being sold to riders who are not fat, lazy Americans who need 700hp to haul their asses around.
Suzuki will probably sell 6-700,000 250 V-stroms worldwide and maybe a couple thousand of those sales will come from the US.
So you agree that this bike won't sell in US?