2017 Vstrom 250

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by eakins, Oct 20, 2016.

  1. highcountrypioneer

    highcountrypioneer Making America Great Again

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    I will not be buying any Chinese made Suzuki regardless if it is made to Japanese Suzuki standards. If I am buying a Japanese branded bike it will be built by the Japanese.

    I'd take the old dr200 over this all day long.
  2. The_Precious_Juice

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    I'd rather take the DR200 over this too for a long ADV Tourt. But I'm a light weight for a WASP.
    I'm not sure where she is made, though.

    You can't do the Interstate, but 278lbs is a hell of a lot better than 414lbs when in the soft stuff!
    ~130bs or 60kg lighter. Audjusted for fuel

    Down about 10 horses, and 7 lbs of torque. Not a bad trade off when you look at the power to weight ratios.
  3. The_Precious_Juice

    The_Precious_Juice 2015 Subaru Forester

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    I think eakins wrote this review

    https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph2/suzuki-v-strom-250-ph2/36762

    Power drain
    Within a few miles of riding the V-Strom I was gutted. I really wanted to love this bike, everything about it is so right. The riding position is roomy and comfortable, the handling surprisingly adept and the ride quality actually very good, if a touch squishy. But the motor would struggle to pull the skin off a bowl of custard. Honestly, I rode the GSX-R125 before the V-Strom 250 and my first thought was that I had misread the press pack and the 250 was actually a 125.



    I simply don't get it, why did Suzuki think that a SHOC parallel twin with just 24hp would be enough to power an adventure bike? Especially considering A2-laws mean you can go so much higher? To use the motor is perfectly acceptable, it doesn't vibrate, it pulls smoothly and the clutch is lovely and light - but it's just so slow. Getting the V-Strom over 70mph was a hell of a struggle one-up, with a pillion I'd be amazed if it can crack 65mph. And this fact totally ruins the whole bike.
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  4. The_Precious_Juice

    The_Precious_Juice 2015 Subaru Forester

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    Interesting

    http://www.motorcycle.com/manufactu...s-including-teaser-reveal-of-v-strom-250.html

    2018 Suzuki News, Including Teaser Reveal Of V-Strom 250 + Video
    Suzuki wants to know if the 250cc Wee-Strom should be brought to the U.S.

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    If I was a stock holder, I would vote no.

    It would be nice to see one and have a seat on one. And demo ride of course.

    But the Versys X 300 ABS is so much better.


    If I had to pick one of the three DL, to go tour on, I'd get the 250.
    77mph is plenty fast.
    Best range out of the three when you consider average speed is 35-45mph.

    The 250 is just a road bike, with good ergos and range.
  5. Grumblez

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    I actually sat on this bike at AimExpo and filled out the survey. Extremely comfortable I lied on the survey saying I think they should bring it because the little guy is so damn cute. Cute but no cigar
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    I would have liked too.

    Thanks for the feedback.
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    The_Precious_Juice 2015 Subaru Forester

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    Top speed from the GSX.
    142kmph is 87.6mph. so, about 80mph top speed. The video below says GPS is 130kmph.

    In Appalachia, that would be good. But in the Great Plains, I recommend at least the R3.



  8. BaldKnob

    BaldKnob I Wanna Ride

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    I know this engine can sit on 80mph all day but it just sounds like yer killin' the little bugger. When will the OEM's figure out We need 450 twins in a bike this size. I keep waiting. Is it EICMA yet?
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    The CB500X is 471cc and not much more mass.

    Every time I look over the CBX subject, I think up grading to the Versys 650 is the way to go or the new DL650
    Or down sizing to the VERSYS X 300 ABS.

    HONDA failed to give the X more separation from the F and R trims.
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    Is it EICMA yet?. No, not Yet. It's from 9-12 November in Milan. I'm still waiting for the 2018 V-Strom 250. It's later than expected.
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    The_Precious_Juice 2015 Subaru Forester

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    It's interesting that you have your location as Netherlands and not, The Netherlands.

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    I think the 250 would make a good around town bike and back roads weekend get away bike.
    http://www.n-tv.de/auto/Suzuki-V-Strom-250-nur-Niedrigvolt-article20047047.html
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    Seems like a 12 volt socket is standard and the front brake lever is adjustable.
    Suzuki needs to put stuff like that in to make her compete with the competition that has more displacement.

    The engine should last a long time.
  12. eakins

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    The country name is Netherlands.
    Same idea for the Mexican state of Baja.
    It's not The Baja nor is it The Netherlands.
    I think both of those are just Merican talk.
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    I wish Honda would build a proper CB500XR adv bike, just like Suzuki would a proper DL650XTR bike.

    ...but the Japanese mfg don't seem to listen too nor care what a bunch of chatty ADV riders ask for.

    Maybe the 700 Tenere will be wake up call but not holding my breath as the now 10 year old Yamaha WR250R was not a wake up call for the other 3 Japanese mfg to build up spec 250 dual sports was it?
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    So if this bike comes to the US Suzuki better price it right as it sure sounds like a dog in performance. It reminds me of a nicer CSC 250.

    The other bikes Suzuki used this engine in and sold in the US went no where sales wise.
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    eakins, keep in mind, the "sport bike" actually had some engine performance and lost some fat mass. The GSX250R is actually below 400lbs! Amazing.
    Sadly, the GSX is basically the same price. Imgaine payiing a few more hundred dollars for the R3 and getting about 50% more power and 20lbs lighter.
    $4,499 vs $4,999
    :fpalm


    The GW250 just looked horrible. And makes the performance on the CB300F seem like a $9,999 bike, but actually has about the same price.

    but, still, the Wee-Tacker 250 has potential to be a great commuter.
    80mph top speed is fine.

    For my style of riding, the Versys X 300 may be too high in the rev range. I'm more of a laid back easy rider. A 15/42 sproket set up can help.

    I think the 321cc from Yamaha can be converted to an ADV bike and be golden.

    This DL250 is more for just those who want good ergos and just stay close at home.

    Plus, if you wait a year, you can get a Wee-Tacker for $1,000 off MSRP.
    It would be easy to convince the salseman how they are never going to sell the bike, and that you are doing them a favor to take it off their hands.:D
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    Call me silly but that engine in a 399lb bike is still porky for the power.

    Yes the GSXR250 does look great, seems Suzuki pours most of their $ in sport bikes above everything else and the rest lanquishes as mediocre.

    Agreed the GW250 variations are butt ugly.
    Who thought that was going to sell in the US?

    I've always thought the Suzuki N.A. guys get it what their bikes should be to compete but are handcuffed with what Suzuki corporate builds and thus offers them to sell.

    Suzuki needs to poach some talent from Yamaha these days. Who knows maybe they are so financially shell shocked from they've not recovered design wise to start taking risks again and thus still stuck in it's good enough mentality.

    I have a friend who works at Suzuki and I've asked all these things & recommendation...no comment what so ever.

    I'm a Suzuki fan but they are still a head scratcher for me. Yamaha gets it and are the Japanese leader in my book.
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    Yep alot of new exciting bikes will show at EICMA this year from the Japanese and Euros too. 2018 is going be a great new bike year for sure. It's been a long climb out from the Great Recession depths.

    I'll be at IMS Long Beach right after and that is then where those new machines 1st show if they are indeed US bound.
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    Published on Oct 10, 2017Suzuki V-strom 250 is an interesting bike, all the advantages that a adventure bike brings but only 250 cc? I was lucky enough to be invited to the European launch and here are my first thoughts and impressions of Suzuki's latest little adventure bike.

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    An ok review.
    Did not go over braking.
    Kept calling her an ADV Bike. Not.

    Good roads on the route.
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    It hit me what the 250 is.
    A baby NC750X.

    Both of these bikes are strongly in the commuter domain. The NC is the ultimate commuter.
    The 250 has easy valves to inspect, 12 volt, good wind protection, and cargo room... and a gear indicator. Lol.

    Basically, if you need to go 77+mph all day long, go with the NC,. but if you do not need to hit 75mph, get this bike. So 65mph all day long.

    I recommend the Versys X 300 or G310GS if you want to get more into the dirt.
    Lighter and 19" front.
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    An Englishman takes out the GXSR250R. When the review gets going,be patient. He speeds up the camera for a few seconds, then starts talking. I almost turned it off, but it's good.

    Bike can do 70mph, with her feeling ok, with a little more to give. That's ok for commuting duty if it's a small fraction of the trip. Maybe up to 25% tops.

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