2017 WSBK No-Spoiler Catch-All Thread

Discussion in 'Racing' started by yooperbikemike, Nov 2, 2016.

  1. stk0308

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    Well, they didn't like Stoner anymore, so . . .
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  3. BOOTLACE

    BOOTLACE Bikie Scum.

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    Not trying to be argumentative but I don't get the how a particular bike doing well in BSB applies to WSBK. No disrespect to BOOTLACE or fans of BSB.

    The Honda referenced in BSB is not competing against the Kawasakis of Rea or Sykes or the Ducatis of Davies and Melandri. Those riders/bikes/teams are the benchmark for relevance in WSBK not the results in a national series no matter how good that national series may or may not be.
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    Different tires, too. That can make a huge difference.
  6. BOOTLACE

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    Well, no. Pirelli is tyre supplier of both series. Same tyres.
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  7. BOOTLACE

    BOOTLACE Bikie Scum.

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    No problem. No offence taken.
    Just pointing out to the masses of 'Blade Bashers (and looking at what's been going on you'd have to say this is largely justified!), that there IS a team that is making decent steps in performance, and indeed gaining a early season podium and matching the front runners now in testing.
    As for being a different series, well, they all have rules, so they are all on a level playing field in any series, except all the other manufacturers / teams have a couple of years head start. I'd also suggest that Haslam and Mossey's team being the official Kawasaki UK mob, and having the odd Japanese head lurking in the background of the TV coverage, would almost certainly be Factory supported in some form or other. And seeing Ernesto Marinelli in the Shakey / Irwin pit at every round that doesn't clash with WSBK would suggest likewise there. And Shakey proved at pre season tests at Jerez he can run with the Worlds guys anyway.
    Jake Dixon's 9th finish at WSBK Donnington on his privateer BSB Kwak, in front of DeRosa on Althea BMW and Bradl says something. There isn't a whole lot in it considering the the difference in the electronics package.

    The thing must have been a right dog tho. With O'Halloran saying he'd done 90 laps in the rain at Knockhill, but wouldn't have done one earlier in the year..
    Can't seem to find the Team arrangements regarding BSB / Real Roads.

    http://www.britishsuperbike.com/teams/2017/honda-racing/

    Anyway, race on!
    :-)
  8. Jim Moore

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    I think the manufacturers at paving the way to drop the 600 class completely. The sales plan will be for novices to start on a 300, then jump straight to a liter bike with the electronics.
  9. yooperbikemike

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    Bikes like the FZ-07 and Ninja 650 are outselling 600 supersports. Its likely the manufacturers will want to market those bikes rather than step from 300cc to liter bikes. These new midsize bikes are cheaper to build than 600ss bikes and likely have much higher profit margins even at modest MSRPs.
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    600SS are the same development and manufacturing cost as a 1000SSTK but they can't be sold for the same price.
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    That's true. It's why 1,000cc sportbikes are so profitable. Works both ways.
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    Sooo many suckers out there.
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    Got my ticket this week for Laguna, hoping Chaz is good to race. I'll be watching from the top of the Hospitality center. :clap
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    Thats big news about Gagne. Thanks for the link.
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    Pirelli just announced they're going back to a previous spec of their rear tire due to concerns over failures.

    Rea's tire failure in the previous round was an altogether different tire than the more frequently used one that was failing in Italy.
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  20. UngaWunga

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    so there goes a mid pack bike... Didn't Ducati do a fake protest like that a while back with another rule change? Say they were going to drop out, but just let the factory team change hands to a "non-factory" team in protest.

    BMW hasn't had a factory team in years.