2018 DAKAR RALLY COVERAGE a.k.a. firehose thread

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  1. too old

    too old Keen supporter

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    “Frog” - can we say that?

    Although no different to referring to some countries as “shitholes” I guess :lol3

    Trump -you’ve got to love him or hate him !
  2. homerj

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    Or since CdP is already out of contention for the OA they cannibalized parts off his car for Mr. Dakar's, and as @wrk2surf points CDP waits for the fast assistance truck which is technically a "race vehicle" but actually staffed by mechanics and loaded with spares.

    Edit: in general any competitor is allowed to assist any other competitor. So by entering a truck full of mechanics as a "race vehicle" you can salvage a result for a driver, instead of forcing them to DNF
  3. Mouse

    Mouse I'm only smelly

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    ^ Isn't that why they raced trucks to begin with?
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    tHEtREV Encouragement award recipient. tEAM iDIOT.

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    It is quite common for there to be a "surprise leader" at the rest day and the usual suspects to be "languishing" 15 or 20 mins behind, only to come out on top when it matters.

    This is when the guys who pushed hard from the start usually start to fall, while those who ride by there strategy start to make ground.
  5. homerj

    homerj 742 Evergreen Terrace

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    I think so, but i'm not 100% sure. I do love 'em tho :D
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  6. Ferrys

    Ferrys Been here awhile

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    Despres starts today number 26 at 09:34 local time. Can any one wait in the liason for that frog race assistance truck with parts and race mechanics?. And in the bivouc?. You have to tell Goncalves the fellow with the hammer and wrench. This is marathon stage. You are not supossed to get help from any other cathegory.
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    Xpat Been here awhile

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    I believe thay can get whatever parts they are able to carry themselves - if they can squeeze whole new car into the competing one, it is fine. And competitors are allowed to help each other. Seems prety simple to me - same if you go out for a ride with your mates into the sticks and there is no one there apart from your group to source anything from. You will share whatever you have in the group - for example compressor, spanners, levers whatever from your mate. Nothing wrong with that IMO.

    In bivouac or anywhere else - as long as you don't source it from outside the group of competitors.
  8. Ferrys

    Ferrys Been here awhile

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    Kind of magic. Mr. Despress, Mr. Coma and Meoni, Sainct, Roma, etc, were pushing from minute one. One day more, one day less, but I do not recall Coma spot four after rest day the edition when he won the Dakar. I may be wrong. You first that I want to win or my day will come can be good this edition. Who knows.
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  9. Xpat

    Xpat Been here awhile

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    Plus - even if they follow the team strategy and TP is their top guy, if Meo wins today, he will be opening next day giving TP better position
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    XRHondafan Been here awhile

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    Yamaha and ktm will team up ala the hardy boys out of WWF and just jump all over bam bam.
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  11. 640 Armageddon

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    It's quite a common for the riders to have spares, especially the factory ones before the start the first day of the marathon stage. Cables, switches, clutch plates etc are all carried by the gang. Problem is that if the guy that is supposed to save his tires for your bike, cooks it or bins it. Then the strategy is out and need to improvise.
    Especially in the tire side, an important factor is which tanks they may empty first, speed. As we saw Billy s and Scott's times, it's self preservation from now on, for the hike as well. The more tired of you are, the more you will lie her down android it's a matter of statistics when this fall will be the end of her. Also important to to self preserve yourself. Saw what happened to Guillaume.

    Thoughts with every one of them. I d love Dakar to be a full marathon game. :beer
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  12. Clancy

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    After the 2016 marathon stage, the KTM mechs were saying that TP's bike was "like new" so he must have taken it fairly easy. Expect the same from him (and Meo??) today. They'll ride their own race and be fast enough to keep contact with the others, and still conserve. The qualifying race is nearly over; the real Dakar starts tomorrow.
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    Sadly first Italian biker out, Minelli... he was too late every day and didn't make it in the end. Also a pity for Amos on the 2wheel buggy, who had done an amazing race so far :(
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    Ferrys Been here awhile

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    Yes, that is logic, but the point is within your category. Have a race truck with fresh tyres, fresh parts, fresh mechanics, etc. and the whole marathon stage point vanish. Better yet, talk to a fellow race car and ask him to bring fresh tyres for you taht day. I think the word was cannibalissing.
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    If teepee is feeling funky he might just put a foot on the special today and finish up with a 20-30 min overall lead.
    I predict teepee is going to make the race his today. His confidence navigating and his speed are second to none.

    Starting the next stage with a 30 min lead would put mondo pressures on other riders and prob would put bareeda in a box
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    Mouse I'm only smelly

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    As you'd know, Clancy, parts stores and far and few between here, you look after your ride or you don't ride. Toby's a good Aussie...
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    By the expression on Bam Bam face it did not seem that sore.

    Put a needle in it and get back on that horse Fella.
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  18. Clancy

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    Kneegate?????:hmmmmm
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    Yep feeling conditions pending Toby may make his move today, time will tell, Get the job done today Tobe, he is listening
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  20. troy safari carpente

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    The trucks usually don't change wheels (including the rim) due to the size/weight of the assembly... the do actually "change tyre" (the rubber off the rim)... even whenit is mid-stage (eg. a flat), as with the hub/rimlock and auto on board inftation systems they have - that is the most effective/fastest way... as opposed to just exchanging a tyre/rim assembly - like they do in the auto category.

    I am not familiar with the interview/incident/competitor your post refers to... so if the competitor meant "routine" change service... or a change "on piste" - due to a puncture/failure... I am not sure.

    For the factory auto teams - generally the car would start on brand new rubber every day... possible exception would be an entirely sand dune stage - or during a Marathon - where it is not permitted... only the four tyres that are fitted... plus the Three spares on board. They are permitted to Exchange with other competitors/team mates... but never have more than 7 Wheels (total) on board. Peugeot would budget on approx 80 tyres (and maybe 40 rims) per each of the four factory cars

    Generally privateer auto team would budget (probably) that each set of four tyres/will go maybe two days (with allowance for a bit of swapping/damaged ones and the odd tyre that survived three days... but for any amateur mid field team likely 40 to 45 tyres and 3 complete sets rims (21) would be a good thumb rule... for sure there are those that have less... but the latter figure would be what a respectable T2 (prod class) entry might buget for.

    Cornejo was doing so well for a last minute debutant... both he and Barreda unfortunately got "tweaked" in the greay conditions. HRC cannot catch a break...
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