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Discussion in 'Americas' started by ERRN, Nov 18, 2017.
Thanks I printed out your routes and will look them up.
ERRN , et al .
First take note that it is NOT the TRANS CANADIAN HIGHWAY .
You are mistakenly transferring the nationality-designating name pattern as from the Trans Siberian Railroad .
The correct name at all times is TRANS CANADA HIGHWAY ( and the particular goose species is always called a CANADA GOOSE , regardless of what country it was hatched in - you have Canada geese born in the USA , then you would have to call them USANIAN geese - but that is a different topic)
Second , there is more than one highway which bears the designation Trans Canada Highway, henceforth here referred to as TCH . Which ones are you considering for your trip ? They are all good , especially if you have never yet been there which then gives you no excuse to later bemoan them for being " boring" as some are wont to do. ( the whiners ) You will just have to make more trips in future to sample them all.
There are several TCH routes to choose from in eastern Canada and in Ontario alone .
From Thunder Bay westward into Manitoba your only possible option in Canada is the TCH which at Shabaqua divides (again) into 17 northern , and 11 southern ,which recombine into one near Kenora. You do have the option of several cross connecting roads between these and three or four long spur highways north off 17 to places like RED LAKE, Armstrong and Sioux Lookout , each worth a visit .
None of this should be news to you if you did look at good maps .
Third , don't obsess about avoiding hot weather in Canada unless you might have a valid medical reason,( this will rarely come in to play up north ) . Your biggest worry about Congestion might be sinus or intestinal . A bit of sweating never hurt anybody , don't fret if it disrupts the fragrance of your favourite cologne .Sure there can be days up there when the temperature finally , at long last - hip hip hooooraaaay !!! - rises into true summer-like values . So enjoy that because such will not last long . If it is hot get ready for a cold front to come through as they usually do once about every four days or a week or so , probably with a drenching thunderstorm .
You might wish to bring along warm clothing for the chill that is sure to creep in during September in northern Ontario and the prairie provinces .
If you have never ridden out there this is no time to be already bringing up potential negatives you fantasize to be there, maybe.
Near Winnipeg , coming from Ontario, you begin to get options to start branching off to north and south for a variety of roads that can carry you through Flin Flon which is an interesting loop up north through the bush, or you could ride down south through the plains bordering the USA, or near Brandon you can split off the TCH onto the Yellowhead highway which will eventually take you through Edmonton and into the mountains at Jasper . Nothing wrong with following the TCH to Medicine hat and then going west through Lethbridge to hit the southern Rockies and then work your way North , or TCH to Calgary ,Banff and begin the exploring of BC . I have enjoyed them all.
Pick a point to aim for and see if you get there . Shift the target if the weather appears to be closing in and crapping on that first target. No point in riding straight into a big three- day storm if you could detour around it .
Umm wow! Dont know where to begin with this one. 1st, a thousand apologies for the whole Canada/goose thing. As far as I was concerned we were talking aboot an asphalt road, so hopefully its feelings weren't hurt. 2nd, If you read my post you would have seen that the plan called for a northern route in July for 2 reasons 1) heat, which may not be bad up in the great white north but can be a miserable experience down here in July in the good ole US of A, and 2) congestion i.e. not intestinal or nasal but traffic. If you draw a bead across 'Merica from Boston to say Denver you go through just about every major city which in summer on an interstate can be miserable. Down here summer is open season on road/highway repairs which can cause tons of delays. Thus the great northern route. Its also a great circle route which, Im sure you know, will save some mileage. As far as "potential negatives" to wit I fantasize they would all be on this side of the border, not up there. Im from north of Beantown, ride every month of the year so believe me cold aint an issue, I'm well versed in how to handle it. I look forward to using the TCH to see the mid west but do plan to take Route 2 across "Merica after Thunder Bay. Ive travelled the TCH extensively on the eastern seaboard around Nova Scotia, Gaspe ect, just not that far west, so let the adventure begin. Thanks for the grammar correction and I will never look at a USAIAN goose the same way again....ever.
Errn , my post was not meant as a personal attack , besides you I did direct it at " et al " because this is a recurring mistake that appears from other writers too, just not in the same worse class as the " boarder " substitution for "border" . My sense of humor also differs ,I guess.
Good on you for riding every month of the year - I try doing that also , but then I pick only that one day of a winter month when the temperature might be okay enough and the roads are clean and dry and ice free so as not to get the bike coated with the salty brine which starts corroding every metal surface it touches. How do you deal with that crap up north of Boston ? Power wash the bike after every ride , or trade it every year ? I didn't have that problem when in Boston in start of August past - I hit that big storm that flooded streets and I made my escape west on the Turnpike . I Still haven't heard anything about toll collection from them - don't they bill out of state/country bikes? That would be fine by me .
Whichever road you take will be good . From North Bay,Ont. the distance between the TCH north and the south route to Nipigon is so small as to be meaningless.
North MN will be just as bushy , but you clear out of the rocks sooner and get into the farmlands . For a true taste of boreal forest the north route TCH from Chabaqua is much different than US 2 across MN. The side trip to Red Lake is very interesting as it hits a pocket of farmable land and Red Lake town is a float plane center of historic note. You can easily drop south to the US when in Manitoba to pick up US 2 in ND which may be not much longer distance total than dropping down along the row of Lake Superior cottages to hit Duluth to get on the 2 and heading back north . Been there , done that too.
Thanks for the reply, no worries didn't take it personally and i appreciate all feedback/input. As far as your tolls go - screw em, Taxachusettes has more than enough $ they won't miss yours. Sorry too hear about your flooding experience hope you got to see a little of New England. As far as winter riding goes, its hit or miss, I pick my battles. I won't risk ice or even wet so its got to be clean and dry as best as it can be. Just can't stand the idea of not riding every month of the year. Also theres lots of areas around here where they don't salt for eco reasons and just use lots of sand, so its not so bad. Up till this winter I've had a GS1200 Adventure so I figured it was tough enough to take it, now with a new shiny R1200RT I won't be so aggressive. Like I said from the pic sometimes ya gotta go all in on winter rides. Im gonna look over your routes and graff them into the collective (as the Borg say) Thanks, ride safe and if your ever out this way drop me an message and we'll hook up. Rob
I did some the same route west bound back in 2010, (on the same bike even) left Ma. one July morning at sunrise and was enjoying lunch on St Catherine street by early afternoon.
once north out of Montreal my plan was head west on the most northern roads in Canada to Thunder Bay where i was going to meet up with a friend heading east from Alaska.
Once I got away from Montreal traffic was a non issue and running at a nice clip undisturbed made the miles roll away. it was less contested the translab. might have been more miles but less time and much more enjoy able as no traffic and much nicer roads.
heat was never an issue , actually one early morning around timmis was kinda of chilly.
the trans Canada is two lanes with the right lane usually being a line of 18 wheels. not always but west of Montreal to Ottawa over to Sudbury that what i seen on other trips.
I suggest waiting to jump onto Trans until Wawa.
I like your idea of slabbing across the plains, from what I hear from friends that have done the piece, that the way to do it.
I know you are looking advice for west of Thunder but i thought i throw my 2 cents in
good luck and have a great trip
Thanks sailer Im outta Hamilton just down the road from you. Thanks for the input thats the feedback I'm looking for. Appreciate the input and it looks like thats how Im gonna go as well.
I'm thinking of a slightly similar trip around mid July or early August. In my case I want to avoid any and all highways on the way out. I'm looking at heading west through Vermont, up through the Adirondacks to Ontario, then either heading for the upper peninsula of Michigan or the Thunder Bay loop. My ultimate goal is Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, Washington, Alberta and BC. Personally I don't like riding in the heat but from my experience it snows in these places in September so I'll deal with the heat. Actually it's about caping in the heat. My first choice is to camp whenever possible but it sucks to camp when it's hot out. I's like to plan for 4 to 6 weeks so I'll have time to do the slow ride out (and make the return).
Ill let you know how my trip goes if Im west before you. I hear you on the snow so thats my thinking as well. I plan to camp as well but I think for the 1st 3-4 days I may motel it till I get west of Thunderbay. I'm figuring 3 long days to Thunderbay - thus the TCH once there Im probably gonna do RTE 2 till Montana ect. My plan will be to take my time after Thunderbay leave the bike at a friends in Denver fly back, drone on, fly out see more and then head east in the fall, probably a southern rte ending up at the southern terminus of the Blue Ridge then north home.
Sometimes we are so eager to get to some destination that we miss an awesome journey. I've made that mistake before and do not want to repeat. There's some wicked nice riding in Vermont, upstate New York (the Adirondacks, for example) and in Ontario, so I intend to take the fun and/or scenic roads, not interstates or TCH's, and if it takes an extra day then so be it. From Thunder Bay Rt 61 to Rt 2 looks like a possibility to me. Once in Montana it will be going wherever my front wheel takes me until it's time to head home.
Agree'd. Ive pretty much worn the black off the asphalt around here. Thats why Im planning 93 to 89. As far as slabs go, both 89 and 90 are great for views and traffic so I'm all in for getting out of New England with them. Im sure you know but Rte 100 through VT is great, go 495 west to 119 then pick it up and go straight through VT S to N. Ive done the Adarondacks which were great as well. I think 61 to 2 will be good as well. Keep in touch I'll let you know how it goes. Gonna do a shake down trip to the Blue Ridge to Asheville and back in late May to tweek the gear ect.
I do not ride a motorcycle on Rt 495. Actually I avoid Massachusetts as much as possible. If I'm going to NY it's most often Rt 9 through VT. I value my life and my sanity.
Me and a friend have simular trip planned out of Ohio for the end of July. Our plan is to slab out of ohio on day one and put down some miles. we plan on getting as far a Nebraska the first day then turn north. Our trip will in include these general points of interest. Badlands NP, Sturgis (non rally week), Black hills, devils tower, bear tooth pass, Yellowstone, Glacier NP, Lolo Pass, Non slab route south through Idaho and Utah. Then our plan is to tour all over Colorado and Eastern Utah for a week. Hitting places like Rocky Mountian NP, Pikes Peak, Mount Evans, Million Dollar hwy, Four Corners, Moki Dugway, Independence Pass, Mesa Verde and I'm sure there are many others we will hit on the way that's just a general run down of our plan. Then we'll most likely take a 2 day slab home. We'll be on Sport touring machines and will do hotels every night. We don't stay in expensive places and play the rewards game with wyndham and splitting it two ways really makes camping for cost reasons silly. We estimate the hotels for 16 days will run us $800 to $1000 each, already have the first 4 night booked at $46 a night average for each of us.
The problem Ive been coming across will planning routes this time of year in google is the seasonal road closures. Goggle wont let you plan a route through areas that are now closed and most of the areas we plan to hit fall under this. So I'm planning what I can but looks like most of our route planning will have to wait till the summer months.
Don't know if it's been said before, but if at all 'close'..... Custer Battlefield is another place to visit.
Early in the evening, when the heat is going away and the winds calm down....to be there and imagine what took place.....
Your trip sounds a lot like mine, I plan to hit a lot of the same places as well. I use Garmin base camp for my GPS nav and only use Garmin Maps to look over the possible routes I wanna take by using street view ect. I agree on the hotel thing. Im not a big fan of camping and when I do 600 mile days I always plan on Hoteling it that night so thats what I plan for the 1st 2-3 nights anyway. Probably Boston to Val-Dor Ontario the 1st night (620 miles) and Val-Dor to Thunderbay 2nd night so no camping then. After that Im gonna slow it down crossing the plains to take it in and will camp or hotel as the mood/opportunity hits. Problem with living this far east is everything out west is a haul. Have fun stay safe thanks for the input.
Totally plan of seeing it, after reading Nathaniel Philbricks book I'm looking forward to it, thanks
Hope you don't mind me copying this because that's exactly what I'm looking to do for my cross country trip.
No worries when are you heading West?
Don't mind at all if you want more info here is my planning so far.
2019 so not for awhile, most likely in May. Trying to make a list of places to go/things to see and figure out what I can fit in.
Oh awesome, I'm totally going to bookmark that and spend some time reading it. Thanks!