2018 WR250R and KLX250 announced.

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  1. Plebeian

    Plebeian Scruffy-Looking Nerf Herder

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    Not much, but I don't think those are the main culprits.

    Look at it this way... Where is all the extra weight of the Whirrrrr coming from? What's the part/component list? What is it, a 40 lb difference from the 500? I bet the biggest chunk of it is the subframe, muffler, and passenger pegs. None of those are really cheap vs. quality items.
  2. Grreatdog

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    The exhaust, yes, the other parts, no. I have no idea why Japanese exhaust systems are so ridiculously heavy.
  3. Plebeian

    Plebeian Scruffy-Looking Nerf Herder

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    It is quiet... pretty corked up though.

    The subframe has to be at least 5 lbs. The rear pegs and mounts could easily be that much. Pretty stout for some reason. I removed the pegs but keep the mounts as a fastening point for my bags. I wonder what that license plate/rear lights monstrosity weighs... It really keeps the mud in check though. Saves a lot of wear on the bags.
  4. Plebeian

    Plebeian Scruffy-Looking Nerf Herder

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    Do EXCs use a lithium battery? There's a significant weight difference there...
  5. ER70S-2

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    The thread is comparing 2 entry level Japanese bikes and the kdm guys have to jump in thread shitting, yet again, and compare them to the 500 EXC and other high performance, high dollar, higher maintenance bikes. You go girls ...
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    THREAD SHITTERERERZZZZ RULE !!!!! :super
  7. John Ashman

    John Ashman Adventurer Wannabe

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    I disagree. The CRF250L, for instance, sells like hotcakes. So does the DRZ400E. They sell tens of thousands per year of these bikes, adding up to probably $10M or more in sales.
  8. wiswoodsguy

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    No, I brought the KTM 250 (TWO FIFTY) EXC into the mix for shootout purposes. Which will likely hit a magazine shelf near you very soon. Plebasourus, a self proclaimed WRR aficionado, brought the 500 EXC into the mix to compare it to the WRR. He is a YAMAHA guy, wears blue underoos to prove it :deal

    There is no threadshitting here. The fact remains that the KLX, WRR, CRFL, AND the KTM 250 EXC will all be grouped as STREET LEGAL Dual Sport bikes. Im not so sure that the AJP and similar will be thrown in that mix, but might as well see what they are made of too.
  9. GR0NK

    GR0NK Got some screws loose!

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    How about you go find the actual sales numbers instead of pulling them out of your ass? :rolleyes


    Sean :brow
  10. John Ashman

    John Ashman Adventurer Wannabe

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    I did. That's the point. For instance, the CRF250L sells about 1000 pieces in Australia, 600 in England, 4000 in the US. The DRZ400 also sells close to 1000 per year in Australia. It's decent sales. And the CRF isn't even available in many lower end markets, they sold the Tornado and now the XRE300.
  11. GR0NK

    GR0NK Got some screws loose!

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    Really?

    North American sales of the leading dual sport bikes. 2016 figures.

    Model – Units Sold

    1. Kawasaki KL650-E 4,006
    2. BMW R1200GS 1,142
    3. Kawasaki KLX250SF 1,011
    4. BMW R1200GS ADV 1,009
    5. Yamaha XT250 988
    6. Suzuki DR650SE 928
    7. BMW F800GS 923
    8. Kawasaki KLX250S 918
    9. Yamaha TW200E 785
    10. Suzuki DRZ-400S 727


    Hotcakes huh? :rolleyes



    Sean :brow
  12. John Ashman

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    Interesting, given that the 250SF was discontinued after 2014. That's a lot of sales for a bike that no longer exists. And as I recall, the CRF250L was outselling the more expensive KLX. In any case, the point being that the 250 dual sport class sells pretty well, but would sell even more if they modernized it and beefed it up.

    A quick check reveals your figures are from 2011 and the article from early 2016. Please, do try again, with the CRF250L sales in there.
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  13. GR0NK

    GR0NK Got some screws loose!

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    They won't be significantly different and most certainly not in the tens of thousands. Please feel free to prove me wrong. :D


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    The average consumer could give 2 shits less about your funky made up "facts", they will buy what the magazine/internet tells them to buy.
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    The only reason why the Japanese 250 market does well is because they dont produce anything "current" in larger sizes. Im talking about North American sales, not pulling them from countries with CC limitations.

    Show of hands from the followers here. If the top 4 Japanese bike manufacturers offered up a 350-500cc "current" dual sport bike, would you still buy a 250 model ??? :ear
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  16. Bultaco206

    Bultaco206 Back-to-back motos suck

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    You are correct. I never once said either of those sell. In fact, my points were saying the opposite, and to add a new larger displacement model exclusively for North America wouldn't be prudent because it wouldn't sell here. The numbers don't support it.

    The CRFL crushes it sales-wise worldwide.
  17. ex250mike

    ex250mike Been here awhile

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    Sure would.

    The bikes that interest me most of late are the beta 125rrs and the klx140g. I've already got an old jap 250, I could use something smaller though.
  18. NateLePain

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    I just sold a KLX250S and bought a WR250R. I have a TE450 that I love and hate. A FI KLX250S with a big bore will have great appeal to some of us. I'm glad Kawi and Yamaha are still offering bikes in the economy class. Teens and new riders need a bike they learn to ride on without selling a kidney. Multiple bike owners need a bike they can put up wet without having pay a fortune for maintenance. This is a great day for dual sport riding.

    nlp
  19. The_Precious_Juice

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    I would buy the 350cc+ engine.
    But I would not do single track.
    A modern one would be close to 400lbs. Which is fine.
    The 313cc from BMW is 34hp, which is plenty good for the Interstate. 374lbs. 150-200mile range.
    :thumbup
  20. Navin

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    The day you ban ass facts only Outlawzzzz will have assezzzz.

    400 poundzzz??? :lol3

    Why? Did they put 1970s 5 mph bumperzzz on them too???

    Dude.

    A RMX450 is a gear short and totally neutered for Cali CARB. Im not sure but maybe the WR450 is year round CARBy too? CRFX? There you have somewherezz under roughly 300lbs (admittedly not as good as a EXC) after DOT compliant additions, Japanese DS. Of course the price wil swell to around $10,000 but its already not selling at like 8999 or something?

    And it hazzz an aluminum muffler (like a EXC) thats as quiet as the steel turd on the WRR, but plieber believezzz what he believes.

    But Suzuki will probably discontinue it, as did Kawi on the KLX450, as without 50 state compliance, who fuggin needs it? It is already down on features compared to the bike we shant speak of.
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