4 Way Stop Etiquette

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by BryonLewis, Sep 25, 2013.

  1. Mat

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    A simple solution would be a roundabout. Or if that is overkill, the vehicle from the right has the right of way. That way no one has to stop if there is no traffic.

    But as things are, once someone waves me on, I don't hesitate and just go and wave a thank-you. That way everyone is happy and no time is wasted.
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  2. Sabre

    Sabre PrĂȘt? Allez!

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    Carlin had it right. Further, under the law, if you wave someone into traffic and they become involved in a crash, you assume some percentage of liability.

    I just stare at the ignorant sheep who are waving at me. If they keep insisting, I point sharply back at them. I just don't want to be anywhere near crossing in front of one of these tentative, nervous assholes.
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  3. henshao

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    Who stops at stop signs anyway?
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  4. pretbek

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    It's as if no one knows the abbreviation (Symbolic Tap On Pedal) that it stands for. Sheesh.

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  5. LuciferMutt

    LuciferMutt Rides slow bike slow

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    The only time I accept the invitation to go first is if the other vehicle and I are the only vehicles at the intersection. That way there is nobody there to hit me, except the person that waved me through, and they have the same chance of hitting me either way... Otherwise, I use the "ignore and look the other way" tactic until they or somebody else goes.
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  6. ydarg

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    Have had plenty of Mexican standoffs at 4-ways.

    You were there first? You go first.
    We got there together? Who's on the right? They go first.
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  7. Marylander

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    I hate being waved through, just follow the rules. Half the time you can't even see through the other vehicles windows to know they're gesturing.
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  8. ahtoxa11

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    I don't like to be waved through the stops either. Follow the rules and we'll all get through just fine. This is one of the few exceptions when apparent courtesy is making things worse and more risky.

    It's like yesterday, I was behind a few cars when the first car stopped on the main road to let out a car that was on the side road with a stop sign. This isn't necessary at all (given there were no further cars behind us, so it's not like the traffic was heavy), and caused confusion for all parties.
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  9. Snowbird

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    Yeah.
    That's the only place where being polite is annoying. In most cases, people just don't seem to want to continue making progress toward their destination, slowing down the intersection. It isn't the line at the grocery store, people.... move your ass. LOL
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  10. BadKarma

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    It's that or "false start" a few times....:baldy
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  11. BadKarma

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    That was the law when I got my DL... and it was also common knowledge. Apparently these days nobody knows what the rules are.
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  12. ahtoxa11

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    We Americans don't know how to do a roundabout. Literally, no one knows. When I lived up north, there was a 4-way roundabout, but they had so many accidents there that they ended up putting stop signs at each direction. Talk about defeating the purpose. Now, not only do you have a 4-way stop anyway, but it's harder to time it because of the large surface area and distance of the intersection.
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  13. Marylander

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    The county I'm in has been putting in lots of roundabouts over the last few years. If you use them as they are intended, yielding but not stopping, you end up with angry people around (I'm not talking about forcing yourself in). I use them as intended anyway. ;) Most stop even if someone from another direction is also approaching but not yet into the circle. One of my kids joked that the circles make better 4 way stops than actual 4 way stops. :)
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  14. Gummee!

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    You know better than that! Around these parts, its the one in the biggest hurry that has the ROW

    ...and to the OP: I get waved thru on a bicycle the same way.

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  15. ozmoses

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    can confirm both; it is truly amazing that a circle can pose such difficulty.
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    If you think a roundabout is confusing, you should see people try to drive in a 2 lane roundabout. Saw 2 crashes in St. Simon's island because the moron in the inside lane would sideswipe the guy on his right trying to exit.


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  17. VX Rider

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    The problem with a round about in America, is we are driving on the right hand side of the road witch is inherently wrong
    for the 'right of way' rules to work. See if we drove on the left hand side it would make total sense as the person to your right
    as you enter a roadway or a round about is moving, and thus they have the right of way.
    And at a round about the persons to your right are moving and will be the first to hit you if you do not yield.

    Whereas when you drive on the right it is the person to your left who will be moving as you enter the roadway, and the one who will hit you.
    So even though at a four way stop the person to your right is given the right of way, in most all other instances we are actually observing 'left of way' rules.
    Now that is why, combined with general ignorance, and self importance that most Americans just can't wrap their head around
    'right of way' rules because you know "I" always get to go first even when "I" should wait my turn.

    I've driven in Bermuda, and South Africa, and trust me it's way easier to observe and follow right of way rules when one is driving on the left side of the road.
    Still doesn't eliminate self entitled idiots.

    And if you want to see real chaos, go to Qatar where they have three and some four lane round abouts, and they drive on the right.
    Some of the insanity I saw there would almost scare you off driving all together.
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  18. Mat

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    It was the same here at the beginning. They had information campaigns, info signs at the roundabouts themselves, and after a while of course cops sitting at roundabouts issuing warnings (yes, warnings - we never get warnings otherwise) and then fines.

    Now, people still don't always know how to signal correctly, but otherwise it works.
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  19. Marylander

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    Yep, most of the ones here are 2 lane.
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  20. jay547

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    Roundabouts are great for traffic flow (when used correctly) but a nightmare for pedestrians. I believe for that reason, they will never be widespread in the U.S.
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