50cc scooter that keeps up with traffic for commuting

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by vertt, Sep 7, 2012.

  1. Ghog

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    the 50cc scooters must not go faster than 35 mph to be excluded from the plate/registration requirements, but that's not the point of this thread!
    Your guess is as good as mine????
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  2. vertt

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    I've seen scooters without plates around here that were keeping up with traffic on a 45 mph road. The only scooters without plates should be those under 50cc. Maybe some were modified/de-restricted/big bore kits, maybe some were debadged higher displacement scooters. The point is - I am looking for a 50cc scooter that can go up to 50 mph if necessary. For example, the only way for me to even get to a road that has a 35 mph limit is to first travel on a 45 mph road for several miles. There is no other way at all. So I need something that will safely get me there without creating a moving roadblock. Aprilia SR 50 seems to fit the bill perfectly, but expensive and almost impossible to find used here. In this thread I wanted to get ideas about some other 50cc scooters that might work as well in this scenario. Sounds like Kymco Super 8/9 is something I can look at and they are easier to find used than the SR 50 and cheaper. I am new to the scooter scene as I usually commute by a motorcycle, but I figured this forum is a good place to start.
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  3. Olas

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    Check your state laws. The only reason 50 cc scooters get away with not having to get a plate is because they are only supposed to have a top speed of 35 mph. So even if you de-badge a bigger scoot and run it without plates, it might draw unwanted attention if you're cruising at 50 mph without a plate.

    I have a 2005 Zuma 49cc 2 stroke and it is perfect for commuting to downtown Denver. But I only have to take roads with speed limits of 35mph to get there. Anything higher than that is seriously pushing it. I've taken 40 mph roads before but try not to. Especially around here where there are hills all over the place.
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  4. alicethomas

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    In EU and Switzerland you may drive a 50cc scoot unrestricted, if you have at least the driving license class "A1".
    But even the strongest and fastest 50cc scoot, the Aprilia SR50R with impressive 4.2kW=5.7hp, has an official top speed of "only" 78kph=48mph.
    I.e. the Honda Lead 100 needs 5.2kW=7.1hp for official 81kph=50mph.
    With the usual ice engine and vario transmission, no legal 50cc scoot will reach 50mph. Perhaps with efficient 4.xkW electric wheel hub motor.
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  5. GaM

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    I think you'll have trouble if they see you doing 45 mph in VA and don't have a tag. Saw this for VA on the moped wiki at mopedarmy.com :

    No moped shall be driven on any highway or public vehicular area faster than 35 miles per hour. If you operate a moped faster than 35 miles per hour, Virginia law deems this to be operating a motorcycle, which requires you to title and register the moped as a motorcycle and obtain a motorcycle license. Operation of mopeds is prohibited on any Interstate Highway Component.
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  6. tortoise2

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    More states legislatures should consider the Virginia proposal:
    "Operation of mopeds is prohibited on any highway where the posted speed limit is in excess of 35 miles per hour."

    This stipulation would limit 50cc moped operation to more compatible traffic, negate the incentive for engine performance enhancements, and (in states that do not require a rear plate) maintain easy-to-spot moped enforcement . . observed on an over 35mph road, no rear plate, fair game.

    Related Nevada report.
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  7. JerryH

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    No stock 50cc scooter is going to go 50 mph. Not even close. I have modified 50cc pedal mopeds (Puch, Tomos) to do 50 mph, but they had very short lifespans. If you see a 50cc scooter doing 50 mph, it has been SERIOUSLY modified.

    Also many states are now passing laws about where you can ride a 50cc unplated scooter. 35 years ago I put over 20,000 miles on a stock Puch MaxiSport, at 30 mph, on non interstate roads. I toured 4 states, and a good part on northern Mexico. I wouldn't even consider doing it now. The speed limit was 55 mph back then. No people drive 80 mph on 65 mph roads around here. You will need at least a 125cc scooter to ride where you want to safely and legally. I recommend either a Yamaha Zuma 125, or a Genuine Buddy 125. These are both top notch scooters. I'm getting ready to buy a Zuma 125 in a few days. I would consider a Buddy for sure, but the Genuine dealer does not take trade ins.
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  8. thunderkat59

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    I got into a discussion with a policeman who pulled me for going 41. He refused to believe my bike was a 50. It was, but he was still correct about the parts of the law he could get me on. Most states are the same. There are top speed and unreasonably low HP restrictions that make it so they can ticket you regardless. There are loads of small frame Elites and 125's around here that have no tags so I dont think the police are consistently strict about enforcement.
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  9. GaM

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    Yeah we have that in GA.
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  10. vertt

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    OK, so like I said - the only way for me to even get to a 35 mph road is to first travel on a 45 mph road for a couple of miles. If I get pulled over on a 45 mph road on a 50 cc scooter I guess I get a ticket under this proposal even though there is no other way to get to the 35 mph road?

    Well, if I have to get a scooter that needs to be registered, plated and inspected each year and which I can't park anywhere I want (sidewalk, bike rack like a 50cc) then there is absolutely no reason for me to get one. Might as well continue to ride downtown on my 1985 Honda Nighthawk 650 with an antique plate on it, which makes it exempt from paying registration fees and having to get it inspected every year. I was really considering a scooter... but it does not make sense based on a lot of comments in this thread... oh well.
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    Get a small frame 125 and take the plate with you when you park it ? :dunno
    Velcro ? :thumb

    Here, it strongly suggested 50cc bikes attach a hi-vis flag to the back, so the 125 people put the flag on instead of the tag.

    I'd get one. Unles you are doing something egregiously wrong, or your state does constant dui-liquor cycler checks, you wont incur the attention of anyone, really. :thumb
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  12. buickid

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    The Yamaha Zuma is a solid scoot with a great aftermarket. A 70cc kit can get you mooooving!
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  13. Forde

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    get a 2t 50cc and whack a 70 kit on. the law will never notice. also there are some aftermarket exhausts available from leo vince, gianelli, etc that are higher performing but look stock.
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  14. cdwise

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    FYI, not all states have DUI cycles and some require a full motorcycle license, plating and insurance for any size scooter or motorcycle.

    In both Texas and Colorado you go over 35 on a 50cc and they will ask you for your motorcycle license. In Colorado you can ride a 50 on a car license but you can't legally go 50mph on one.

    In Texas you need either a moped license (M2) for a 50cc which has a statutory restriction to 30mph (rev limiter installed, removing it disqualifies the scooter for a moped plate, ride without a plate and you will get pulled over) or a full motorcycle license whic covers everything and removes the speed restriction on a 50cc. Go faster and you can be pulled over even if on a real 50cc that is on the list of "approved" mopeds because that means the rev limiter has been removed. Show your motorcycle license, registration and insurance you go on your merry way assuming you weren't actually speeding. Failure to show any of them and its ticket time. We had two people in my MSF class who were riding without a valid motorcycle license. One had his bike impounded (he was also speeding) and it was up to the judge whether he got it back or not after completing all the requirements the judge imposed on him starting with an MSF and community service.
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  15. lifer

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    I think people are getting a little carried away on this thread. True that it will be hard to find a 50 that will do 50 mph but I think you can find one that will do 42-45 mph if you look around. Look for a 2 stroke. It will have the aceleration to keep up with the carges. I have a 50 cc zuma and it will do 38 mph on flat ground with me on it. I am 250 lbs. Up steep hills I can only do 25 mph. So the point is a zuma will not do what you want. Some of the bikes I would look at would be the Kymco super 8 50 , the Super 9 50cc , and a Vento 50cc. All of these should be able to do 42-45 mph. I doubt very much that a cop will bother you on a 45 mph road on a 50 cc. Even the expressways have a minimum speed of 45 mph ( not that you can go on one) . The point is 45 mph is the max. speed If you were doing 40 mph on a 45 mph road you are not a big problem. If you ride bicycles around town you already know how to keep out of the way. Unless you love to tinker I would stay away from modifying it at all other than just deresticting it if neededl. The trade off you get is not worth the effort.
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  16. JerryH

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    There are no such things as "DUI cycles" in AZ. Someone who has lost their license because of a DUI is not even allowed to ride a motorized pedal bicycle, which does not require a drivers license, registration, or insurance here. But ANY type of motor vehicle is off limits to someone with a DUI and no license.
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  17. LarryRickenbacker

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    Howdy,

    Define "traffic" and you'll have your answer about whether a 50cc bike can keep up. In congested urban settings, 50cc might be a sensible choice. Here in Shreveport, La., we have faster paced roads and 125/150cc are the minimum I'd accept. Good luck!
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  18. DudeClone

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    genuine roughhouse 50 or buddy 50 should do the trick for traffic up to 40mph. meaning they are among the best scooters for getting to 40 and maintaining it under good conditions. and they have good acceleration along the small power band. for a 50

    just have a dealer "derestrict" it. most do upon delivery, anyway. otherwise the scoot only goes 30mph. it should be included in prep its so easy and fast to do

    all this is if you have a genuine dealer nearby, of course. but for $2000 new with a two year warranty its hard to go wrong. IF the scooter fits :)

    Rough House keeping pace up ahead at 50mph. don't know of any mods were used

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    guy says gps at 49mph.its a good look at the scoot. he actually pushes the speedo past 50. or could if it went past 50 lol

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    Buddy 50

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  19. lifer

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    Just go get an sr 50 and be done with it. At least you will have what you need. I looked on craigs list around me and there were at least 8 for sale within 250 miles of me. It is definatly the cream of the crop 50cc available. In there forums they say they can reach 53 mph derestricted. If I had the need I would jump on it.
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  20. ragtoplvr

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    Ohlins had one of these at the BMW rally, with Ohlins suspension of course.

    way cool. They make big bore kits,
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