62' Ford Fairlane 500 - 221 ci

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  1. mudgepondexpress

    mudgepondexpress Long timer

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    Any AOD out of a V8 car will be fine (AOD only cam behind 302's and 351's). The later AODE is electronically controlled (roughly 1994). I would try to fine one from a Mustang if you want a floor shift or an Crown Vic if you want a column shift (tranny is the same, linkage changed). The early AOD (80/81) had its share of issues...try to get a bit newer.

    None will bolt to your 221. You have the 5 bolt tranny and all AOD's are 6 bolt. Don't forget to get the matching flexplate and tranny gasket (tin between the engine and the bellhousing). It uses the standard Ford automatic starter.

    Your 221 will be fine at 3000 rpms. That isn't too much but I am sure it sounds buzzy. My 302 powered 76 Ford Courier ran 3600 at 60 mph most of its life. That engine had no issues after a ton of miles.

    The 351 is a snug fit in the early fairlane body, it will work but it get snug. The later fairlanes have more room.

    While you have the engine out...lower the upper control arms, it is easier to do while the engine is out.

    Keep plugging!
    Kenny
  2. ttpete

    ttpete Rectum Non Bustibus

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    Be careful when picking out a flex plate. In the 1980s, some small blocks went from internally balanced to externally balanced. Those had extra balance weights added to the flex plate and the front vibration damper. If you get it wrong, you'll have a terrible vibration problem.
  3. mmitchell57

    mmitchell57 Vulcan Halfbreed

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    Thanks for the warning. I'll keep an eye out to see what I run into.

    Again, I appreciate all the input!
  4. SafetyThird

    SafetyThird Pist-n-broke

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    So much this.
  5. vtwin

    vtwin Air cooled runnin' mon

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    Look into the mid 80's LTD's. My '84 LTD LX had the AOD bolted to the police engine. It was pretty peppy for the time handled well and got 24mpg. Should have kept it.
  6. ddavidv

    ddavidv Thrifty not cheap

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    It may be coming out of a mid 60s Ford pickup, but it wasn't installed there by Ford. Be certain what you're getting. 351W didn't come out until 1969 and it was installed in cars only. The truck used a 352 FE big block.
    http://www.fordification.com/tech/engineID-V8.htm
  7. MrBob

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  8. TwilightZone

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    >"I've got a 351 windsor motor lined up."

    If you want a bigger motor just put a 289 or 302 in it... don't need to mess with the frame then, should be plenty of engines available.

    Those were great engines.
  9. AkBrian

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    RE: 3000rpm
    If the original engine and drivetrain has lasted 50 years, I'm guessing it will last a while longer with proper maintenance. The speed limits back in the 60's were higher than they are now many places. It's probably worth more the closer to original it is.
  10. ragtoplvr

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    the 221 has tiny pistons and short stroke. It does not mind revving. You do have old tired valve springs, they will be fine at 3K but float will occur early.

    You will never recoup the cost of the conversions in fuel savings. You can justify based on the joy of more horsepower, just do not fool yourself that it is cost effective. Maybe when gas is 10.00 a gallon.

    These cars are not aerodynamic, they will not ever get good mileage.

    Convert to a alternator so you have more amps and go to a good electric fan, that will help a lot. The early fans ate a lot of power for the air they move.
    Alternator as stated runs longer between service. Keep the gen and reg. A good core will be valuable someday as the last automotive commutator maker went out of business, and someday restorers will want yours.

    An efficient well balanced intake, very small 4 BBl , and new valve springs, can help a bit, might pay for its self if jetted correctly. A 221 does not need duals, but a good 2 1/4 dia single exhaust system with free flow muffler will help and can be cost effective, you will lose a bit off the line though.

    Rod
  11. SafetyThird

    SafetyThird Pist-n-broke

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    Just an fyi, about 98% of these projects that turn into repowering the car, etc, never get finished. They just languish and are sold for parts. It can turn into a fairly massive undertaking-don't choose it casually.
  12. Mambo Dave

    Mambo Dave I demand proof, sir.

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    That's a wise word of caution.

    But I'm looking up options to hot-rod the 221 and not seeing much since it was such a limited run. In the hands of someone with too much money I've got to wonder just how high a balanced and blueprinted 221 V8 could rev (making it like an old-time Formula 1 engine for upper-RPM power), but I see the limitations he is facing.

    In that bit of studying, though, it does seem that the weight of the motors go up even though they are only small blocks. As they get larger, stronger front springs will be in order, too.

    I thought this was an interesting post for options if E85 is available locally:

    Re: 221 V8
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    If I am not mistaken, the 221 and 260 use the same 2.87" stroke crank as the 289. So at least grab the crank as they are not that easy to find anymore.
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    That is correct. They also had small valve 45cc chambers in the heads. Put them on a 289 with an RV cam and you have a high compression E85 fuel vehicle. The future of hot rods....oh yea my small block gets better mileage than yours.

    http://www.fordmuscleforums.com/garage/475222-221-v8.html
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    Too long without an update. :type
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    Probably got the 221 out then decided to clean the 351 up first :lol3
  16. Cpt. Ron

    Cpt. Ron Advrider #128

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    I just picked up a 1963 Fairlane 500 (with a 221 and 2-speed auto) this last weekend. 56,000 original miles and everything is there, including the original interior. Almost perfect body. It's going to be a family project made for cruising.

    So, should I start a new thread or hijack this one?
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    I'd be looking for a nice 302 and a C4 tranny. In a practical sense, the powertrain that's in it is not a good thing to have.
  19. Cpt. Ron

    Cpt. Ron Advrider #128

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    An engine and transmission transplant is at the bottom of the list. To do that would mean suspension and brake upgrades that are just too much right now. My oldest is ready to drive, so I'm in the process of teaching him how to wrench on old shit. Underpowered isn't a bad thing right now, despite what he thinks. We're focusing on making it run and making it safe (relatively speaking).

    So, the fuel tank is out to be be cleaned, the brakes are coming off for new flexible hoses, slave cylinders and shoes as well as a new dual-circuit master cylinder. I'll be tire shopping and looking to replace the muffler with the huge hole. Covers over the seat bottoms for now should round it for diagnostic driving.
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    Ah, I see. If it still has the original DC generator, consider an alternator for reliability. Ford had a terrible habit of hanging the generator under the engine where road splash could hit it, and generators didn't last very long. Back then, I replaced a lot of them.

    Drum brakes can be quite good if the shoes fit the drum and have close to 100% contact. Unfortunately, this is not always so if the drums have been turned oversize.