650 Burgman

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by sporthog93, Mar 20, 2011.

  1. sporthog93

    sporthog93 Sporthog93

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    I have a repair shop and used bike sales store. i purchased a couple salvage scooters to build and sell. A 650 Burgman and a 125 Vino. They are kind of neat. I just rode the Burgman to town for cigars and holy crap 90 plus mph!!! And Iv'e used the Vino at a vintage swap meet what a terrific little machine to get around with. If I lived in town I'd have one as a personal ride. They are both for sale if anyone's interested but not my point for this thread. Just enjoying the scooter buzz.
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  2. kioti

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    The Burgie speedo is 10% optimistic so 90 is actually 81.

    I saw 119 on mine once several years ago and the windshield started doing weird stuff, haven't been in the triple digits since.
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  3. LarryRickenbacker

    LarryRickenbacker Been here awhile

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    Howdy,

    I was interested in a Burgy 650 on my local Craigslist. It had too many issues. I've heard nothing but great things about them; 'specially for touring.
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  4. tbirdsp

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    Hey sporthog, I just got into scooters and know some guys in the Omaha Scooter Club. Any details/pics on the scoots you have for sale?
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  5. Capt-Kevlar

    Capt-Kevlar Adventurer

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    I've done multiple multi state touring trips on my Burman. The longest I've done in one day is 900+ miles and I never felt fresher afterwards. It is great for touring and is hands down the best commuter you could ever want. Despite having three bikes, my Burgman is my go to for almost all of my riding.:wink:
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  6. LeChatNoir

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    So the burgman 650 is the king ? I was looking for a commuter In Socal...my drz is too much frantic craziness and AGATT is a pain I like those skooter skirts..
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  7. tbirdsp

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    :huh

    So the pavement is softer when you crash on a scooter?
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  8. LeChatNoir

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    No not what I meant. I have a good jacket(s) and helmet I would wear of course but hauling it to the office and back is annoying. I like the storage and the other protection options on a scoot. I really like the burg- although the new silverwing is very nice.
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  9. tbirdsp

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    OK - got it:D
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  10. sporthog93

    sporthog93 Sporthog93

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    I haven't ridden a honda 600 but the Burgman will get with the program as far as acceleration goes, it doens't seem to be affected by wind much either.
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  11. btcn

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    I hate this optimistic stuff. I find that some of the older Japanese bikes have more accurate speedos than the new stuff.

    It pisses me off because if your riding on the highway at an indicated 70 MPH trying to stay within the speed limit, and your speedo is 10% optimistic, this would mean an actual speed of about 63 MPH even though you think your doing 70 MPH. Your not even doing the 65 MPH limit, and this will piss of cagers. I have GPS a few cars, and all have been within 2 MPH accurate to dead on.

    Now that I have tightened my speedo cable on my 86 Elite 150, it is dead on by both radar and GPS, its a shame that the same can't be said for 2011 $8,000 motorcycle or scooter.

    Some bikes have been even worse [ESPECIALLY with smaller tire sizes] being as high as 15% optimistic! That means at an indicated 70 MPH, your only doing 59 MPH! Or even an indicated 80 MPH is only 68 MPH! At that point I would disable the stock speedo and put a small GPS in it's place!

    But other than that the Burgmans are sweet rides! The 650 has an actual top speed of 99-110 actual MPH, and acceleration is great. The only thing I don't like about the 650 is the poor MPG for it's displacement. I love the Burgman 400, is has a somewhat close enough top speed, slightly more underseat storage, great acceleration, and gets in the 60s to very low 70s with slow riding in the MPG department.

    Despite my craving for one, I will need to wait a little while for a maxi scoot. I WILL get one, but with the gas prices going up so high, its hard to beat my Elite 150s 85-100 real MPG and 65+ MPH GPS top speed for commuting around! I have picked up a Shadow for distance/highway, but it can't replace the Elite around town! It's 700 cc V twin sucks far more gas, its around 40-60 MPG vs the 85+! But a Maxi scooter is in my future!

    The Vino 125 is also nice scooter, but it is too slow for a 125 IMO.
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  12. MarkH67

    MarkH67 Been here awhile

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    When this baby hits 88 miles per hour... you're gonna see some serious shit.
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  13. Tromper

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    Don't recall what the top speed was, I was watching the er um track vs. the speedo but I was over 100 even accounting for the optimistic speedo on mine.
    No windshield issues with my clearview.

    Currently riding an NT700 primarily, but did put 20k on the currently parked 650, & have no real angst about it. A decent solid fun ride with good storage.
    A bit of a stigma as an "old man's bike" but no real worries.

    If you had to have one bike in your garage you could do a lot worse than a 650.:1drink
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  14. sporthog93

    sporthog93 Sporthog93

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    Holy crap!!!!!!
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    sporthog93 Sporthog93

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    I don't know how big of a hole you had prior to the smoke show, but i have used some plug/patches on MY OWN tires that had a hole we good succes. They are used from the inside and have a plug that is attached to a patch, the plug sticks thru and the patch is glued to the inside or the tire. I say on my own tires because i wouldn't use them on a customer tire for liability purposes. These patches are available at auto parts stores.
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  16. farqhuar

    farqhuar Lone Wolf

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    Historically Japanese bikes have always been set up to read optimistically - go read a few bike mags from the 70s - they always had a column in their data sheets showing actual vs. true readings.

    The reason you may think they were more accurate is because the newer modern tyres you will be running on your old bike are taller than the original tyres, thus compensating for the built in speedo (but not odo) optimism.

    You wil find that just about every bike reads 10% high, and every Japanese car aroudn 5% high. However, I have had a couple of exceptions including one bike from the '80s reading 16% high and another from the '90s at 14% high.
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  17. btcn

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    16%? Thats WAY to high, no excuses for that!

    I guess your right. I don't think my Elite 150s tires are any bigger than original though, or at least by much.
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  18. ElusivePedro

    ElusivePedro Layin' Low

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    Burgman 650's don't take kindly to power braking. My '04 didn't anyway, and given that, I have never done it on my '08. Just sayin... Also, in so far as top speed is concerned, about 103-105 true mph is about what your looking at, at sea level, 70* temps and a 200# rider. That would be 113-116 indicated. Big burgers are the real deal. Now lets not go and tell anyone - Let's keep it "our little secret" :-) I'll probably get my fourth one in the not too distant future after I sell this one. I'd keep her if I had a bigger garage...:deal
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  19. btcn

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    Not bad, but 103-105 MPH really isn't impressive for a 650 cc twin cylinder engine. A little Ninja 250 will hit those speeds.

    But its just fine for the intention of the scoot.
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  20. MarkH67

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    Yeah, I don't think that there has ever been a suggestion that a scooter's speed would be impressive for its engine size. If you want a bike around that size with an impressive top speed then there is the GSX-R600 or R6 or ZXR-6 or CBR-600RR. None of those will be as comfortable though or have as much storage space.

    If we are talking about riding on the road rather than the race track then over 100 MPH should be plenty. Where I live the limit is 60, after 70 you are risking a ticket and if caught at over 90 you are looking at an instant 28 day loss of license - a scooter that can cruise all day long at 70 and still have spare for overtaking would be more than enough on our roads.

    My 400 can go to ~90 on the flat - but the acceleration is running out once you are above 75, I wouldn't mind a 650 for the ability to still have good acceleration though to 90 - that would be enough for my needs. So I don't need any more speed than what I have, but a bigger engine means I'd have more acceleration at the top end of the speeds that I would use. In slower speeds around the city I'm probably on the better scooter, but on the open road a better 60 to 80 MPH acceleration time would be nice.
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