660 Tenere or 690 KTM enduro

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by Chris 690R, Jan 22, 2013.

  1. Chris 690R

    Chris 690R Adventurer

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    Hi guys,

    I have just sold my KTM 300 EXC as I feel too old (46 YO) to keep up with the younger guys I ride with. So after 6 months of reaserch I purchased a KTM 690. I have ridden it only a few times, but am now wondering if I did the right thing? It is awsome in the bush and dirt, but riding it on the road seems criminal and a waste of rubber. Plus not so comfortable for long streches on the tar!

    I am now thinking that to do true adventure riding you need to do many k's on road to get to dirt. So I am now thinking the Tenere might be a better option and more comfortable???

    I love dirt so maybe I need to have 2 bikes?? I am already missing the single stuff when I tried to take the 690 for an easy ride through the single stuff I used to do and struggled???

    This adventure stuff seems to be a real compromise!!!

    Help comments please!!!!

    Chris
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  2. crash n bern

    crash n bern Long timer

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    This is easy, get three bikes. One for the single trail, one for gnarly adventure stuff and a big one for the long distance adventure stuff.
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  3. Adanac rider

    Adanac rider The Great Gazoo

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    The 690 is a fun bike.Put on a better seat,small winshield and some d/p tires for a little more comfort and get a plated rfs model for the dirt.
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  4. CanadianX

    CanadianX Oh!? That is deep.

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    Pick up a set of super moto rims and tires for the 690 for the days you want to ride on the road.
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  5. KTBen

    KTBen Barrrp!

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  6. Night Falcon

    Night Falcon Adventure NZL

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    +1 The 690 needs a few changes to be a good adv bike but once set up there is nothing else in it's class that comes near it. cept maybe the 640 adv.
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  7. Chris 690R

    Chris 690R Adventurer

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    Yes this is now what I am thinking! I am still a dirt rider and use the road to get there! I test rode a Tenere 660 today and was way more comfy on the tar than the 690! Funny enough the 2 bikes new are about the same price around $15k. So do I mod the 690 or get a second hand Tenere and spend the diff on another single trail machine WR 450 or similar?

    Chris
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  8. Chris 690R

    Chris 690R Adventurer

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    LOL, indeed this would be the perfect scenario! Would just have to convince the wife and kids!

    C
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  9. toy4fun

    toy4fun GET out of the way

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    In one of the threads there is a picture of a guy on his BMW God Spoke(GS) with a single rail MC Trailer on back with a yamahe dirt bike on it. I'm leaning towards the KTM 990 becuase it is easy to pick up off the side stand and the clutch only takes my pinky.
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  10. Chris 690R

    Chris 690R Adventurer

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    That is hilarous!

    Can you find the link and post!!!!

    Chris
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  11. clintnz

    clintnz Trans-Global Chook Chaser

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    Try a decent seat & a windscreen on the 690 first. It's cheap & easy. If you want to mix up your road & dirt there is nothing better than a 690 IMHO.

    Cheers
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  12. SportsGuy

    SportsGuy icanhazdirt?

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    690 - yes, I have one, but even if the Yamaha was available where I live, I'd still go withthe KTM... ;)
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  13. Chris 690R

    Chris 690R Adventurer

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    I test rode a Tenere 660 yesterday and must say it was way more comfortable on the tar than my 690!

    Chris
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  14. daniel5600

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    A Seat Concepts seat and some risers made a world of difference to my 690. Really comfortable now.
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  15. gnuttis

    gnuttis Been here awhile

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    I had a KTM690EnduroR 2011 that I rode with in Tuareg Rallye 2012.Complete wonderful bike and I miss it even today but Rallye is expensive so had to sell the bike and found a XT660R for a good price. Like the engine in the XT but it is really heavy engine. I told my self that it would be a stock bike but know I change the front fork to a WP from a KTM690EnduroR and a 2-1 system still cheap compared to what I sold my KTM690 for. Are you a dirtrider there are nothing to compare between this bikes the KTM690 is outstanding in every way and if I can afford a new bike say about 3 years it will be a KTM690 again but with real front fork with 300mm travel compared with the 690 -12 shorter travel.

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  16. Pantah

    Pantah PJ Fan from Boston

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    I think my 690 is finally comfortable. The motor smoothed out at 3500 miles. I added a stabilizer for high speed cruising on the interstates. The flyscreen seems pretty functional and takes the wind pressure off my torso. I tried a sheepskin on the stock seat, but after 2k miles I finally bought a Seat Concepts seat kit, and that solved my butt burn. Added heat liners and think the bike is as comfortable as any I've owned.

    I had a MZ Baggie which had the XT660 motor. That was a really nice lump and excellent for long travel. But I wouldn't swap it for my 690.

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  17. WIBO

    WIBO Will it buff out?

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    I have an XTZ660Z....certainly NOT as good off road as a 690.....but if you're doing more road work then it'll be more comfortable,easier to service and more reliable?

    I get about 4-5 liters per 100kms and it comes with a 23 litre tank....It is what it is.

    When I was looking for a new moto I looked at the 690 and even the KTM Super Enduro and finally went for the XT. I still have my 300 Gas Gas and I'm 49....and I have best of both worlds now... I scoot around the forests here on the GGas and can still scoot all over France/Spain on the XT as I wish,to ride any tracks I find there.

    Here you'll see a variation of motos to include a 690 riding in all sorts of going......

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=841901

    Might give you an idea....Here you can pick up an XT for about €3500 these days....

    :)
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  18. Chris 690R

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    Good replies and discussion. Each will have their own requirements and opinions for sure. The KTM 690 E to me is the "Hot Rod" of Adventure bikes leaning clearly towards dirt rather than tar.

    It will blow the rest away on the dirt for sure. My issue is the true nature of Adventure riding is tar and dirt combined. Quite oftern more tar than dirt as most of us would agree by the time you transport to dirt unless you trailer your bike to the dirt!

    So my issue is I do not see the point in having a hot rod dirt orientated adventure bike that is less comfortable on the road than say a Tenere and still cannot keep up to a true enduro bike in the single stuff like my old KTM 300 EXC.

    Unless you are luck enough to live close to awesome adventure riding dirt I have to ride 1.5 hours to get to any such place and 1.5 hours home again so over 3 hours tar at HWY speeds for a day out.

    SO this is very hard for me to do after rding the 690, however I am now thinking to sell the 690 and get a Tenere. I then have change left over to buy another true enduro like Husky 511 or WR 450. I have WR 450 type dirt single trail 5 mins from my home!

    So then I get the best of both world again???

    I love the dirt which is why I went for the 690, but am worried I will regret it once I sell it!!!!!

    Arrrr only if I had enough money and time (plus wife issues) to own 3 bikes LOL

    Chris
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  19. bigborefan

    bigborefan Making new friends

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    I had a 690, 950SE and 530XC-W. I sold my 690. Not because I didn't like it, I loved it. But IMO it was more of a niche machine. On the right roads it was a very fun bike, fast dirt roads, two track, etc. If you wanna play Rally racer it is the best bike. But I could not afford to keep three bikes maintained, so I sold the 690. I use the 950SE as my touring bike and my 530 is my dirt bike.

    The 690 would make a good ADV tourer with just two additions, a bigger tank and a better gear box. Of course the stock seat is worthless.

    Why not consider a 950/990 ADV or SE for your touring bike?

    I cant say much about the Yamaha as those are not available in the US.
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  20. Stu

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    Chris,

    I had the same dilemma when I sold my '12 KTM 300 XC-W after my last hare scramble and MX this past summer. I'm 73 and the ole bod told me to start taking it easy.

    I first decided what I really liked to do the most with my bikes and that was ride off road & vacation in Utah and Colorado. That made the choice a whole lot easier. I would compromise on the road sections and not try to do over 350 miles a day.

    The 690R was an obvious candidate. I rode a well set up 500 EXC and that ended all desire for anything else. I got a new '13 500 and have been extraordinarily happy with my decision. It is a bit heavy in tight woods but it sticks right with my racing buddies on their lighter bikes. It has a very similar set up to the '12 300 for suspension and frame so it handles like the 300 with an obvious increase in weight. I now have 950 miles and 51 hours on it, some of that in Grand Staircase Escalante and Moab and most of the rest riding off road elsewhere. I had it out three days ago where there was 1/2" of melted goo on top of frozen ground. Slithered around but it still kept its line like the 300 did but it found traction far more easily than the 300. On the highway, geared either 15/52 for off road or 15/50 for Utah it does quite well and is comfy. I ride street at 60~65 so it is fine. I have the Sicass soft seat and that is superb for my use.

    This bike is very easy to maintain. Oil change intervals and time to do it have been improved over the older motors. Oil capacity is now 1.5 liters so you could, doing dual sport riding, probably make close to 2,000 miles before you changed. Ripping around the woods as I do I change it every 4 to 5 hours. Valve checks and shim replacements are far easier and could be done on the road without difficulty. I have only had one valve move at all in all this time and have only replaced that one shim. Maintenance issues? Not with this bike!

    I made the bike feel much lighter by installing the Shorai battery (4 lbs less weight up high), installing the Sicass flush mount rear turn signals and sub fender (about 2.5 lbs less), Sicass front turn signals in the plastic hand guards with the Cycra brush busters (an even break on dropping stuff off) and an Akrapovic muffler (slightly over 2 lbs dropped). It is extremely crash worthy and I have tested that thoroughly. The Akrapovic did require the EU ignition/fuel map ending in 0701 which is for competition use and, well, of course that is all I will do with this bike. Ahem.

    If you wanted to take this bike to Alaska and back it would easily do it. I have the 3.4 KTM tank on it and there is a Safari 5.0 gal. tank. Woody's Wheel Works makes a cushioned rear hub for it and I did get that as well. The Seat Concepts replacement (wider) seat would round it out. Then get the Giant Loop bag or get Harcus's (ADV name) rear rack (globetrottin.com). I have the latter and crash tested it in Utah. Then put gas in it and go ride!

    There is no question that KTM has developed a real off road classic here. No wonder they are sold out.

    Stu
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