690 Rally Replica questions...

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by F650Dakar_Norway, Jan 17, 2010.

  1. F650Dakar_Norway

    F650Dakar_Norway What off-season?

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    That's one very nice RR you got there.
    But I'm glad mine is a relatively discreet KTM orange so I don't attract that many devious & sceptical looks from our LEO's (Law Enforcement Officers) in my neighbourhood.
    I just paid a studly sum of re-registration tax and will have it on street reg.plates next week. I need that for the transport streches enroute to the regional gravel paradises - or maybe I should call it "liasion-etappes" to massage the Rally mindset.
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  2. F650Dakar_Norway

    F650Dakar_Norway What off-season?

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    Some trivial facts after a couple of weeks ownership.

    - It's tall - seat height 98cm. I'm 186cm/6'3" and enter from starboard side after some swing-a-leg practice.
    That way it's stabilized on the sidestand while I slide over and in place on the seat.
    Thereafter it's a tiptoe experience even for my 36" inseam legs.
    - It starts easy, and the choke has yet to be used.
    - Fuel consumption is not that bad for ordinary road work - around 0,5 litre per 10km - until you give it buckets
    of throttle Dakar-style - wherefrom it guzzles, ahem substantially more. At such achieved speeds it won't matter anyhow.
    ( Trivia: Ullevålseter ususally refuels every 250kms when racing. )
    - Rear suspension is harsh and needs fine-tuning. Pål Anders Ullevålseter gave me some basic advice which will be tried later.
    - It's fully capable of relatively comfortable commuting, although the indicator/light switchgear is relatively cumbersome to operate
    in darkness.
    - The ICO-switchgear and roadbook switch are prioritized on this rally-beast on the port handlebar side, so that takes some fumbling
    and swearing to get used to when operating hi/lo-beam and indicator switches further inward on the LH handlebar side.
    But heck, who cares. This thing roars and was not designed for ordinary roadwork - but will actually do that quite well.
    With some minor quirks and effort.
    - When i bought it, it had covered 260km and the gearbox was still a bit tight. This improved considerably after 800-1000kms.
    Gear operation is now quite smooth and effortless.
    - It vibrates strongly, but never uncomfortably. Since it's not equipped with a rev counter I have no idea about those values either.
    I consider mounting a Vaportech enduro computer for that purpose. I won't race it, so the non-used extra ICO space under the
    roadbook will provide a good place for the Vapor housing.

    Adventure-riding a rally bike.
    I've just done a 2-day gravel event this weekend and put some mileage on it on rough gravel, dirt roads, tractor tracks, deserted wood
    paths and river crossings. Needless to say that worked very well and I had a blast. It's a very stable platform and performs very well on
    dry and moist dirt surfaces. I'm not that experienced or skilled to really put it through its paces, but really enjoy it's immense capabilities.

    Luggage, you say?
    Hmm, that's its' main weakness, but a decently lightly packed luggage roll can be strapped on. That's about it, unless an
    advanced, hi-tech & lightweight luggage rack is tailor-welded for it. I'll research that later on, but obviously that's not a high priority.
    And no way will that nice 18 litre supporting membre rear tank be jeopardized or modified unless it's integrity is 100% guaranteed.
    I strapped on a waterproof pack roll with a fleece blanket underneath for paintwork protection, donned a rucksack and did the 5 hour transport
    to/from that event on ordinary tarmac roads. Then unloaded and rode that thing on everything from extremely bumpy rough gravel trails to nice
    dirt roads and forest trails without any luggage other than my daypack rucksack with tools, rain gloves and some energy-rich food.
    Conclusion: If you want long-haul touring luggage capability: Get yourself a 690 Enduro or any other dual-purpose motorcycle that can take
    proper, stock luggage racks and panniers. I'll use my F800GS for that touring purpose and keep this beast for non-luggage dirt rides at most requiring
    a lighweight roll bag and a rucksack.

    Want your own 690 Rally Replica?
    Expect more of these beasts for sale from now on, since the Dakar 450cc limit may influence the other races and most riders can only
    afford one bike class... If you get your hands on a competition-used 690 Rally Replica, check out the reputation of the team mechanics and if
    possible interview them politely to get the necessary facts about the history of the bike. It's basically a high-quality 70hp 653ccm LC4 engine
    with a race camshaft and should easily be serviced by your favourite KTM mechanic. According to Pål Anders Ullevålseter this engine is extremely
    reliable and won't budge even under tough races, but his favourite mechanic is a true perfectionist and I've seen him in action.

    Parts etc.
    The most expensive parts are mainly the front fairing CF panels, front CF mudguard, bottom CF bashplate, both front tanks, rear tank and rear
    CF tooltray/tail fixture with rear light assembly. Mudguard, front fairing and bashplate can easily be swapped with cheaper components in glass fibre etc.

    Example: https://shop.rallyraid.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=BI_1002

    I most definitely won't play too much around with those CF components in place and will get the somewhat heavier replacements in place before
    really gunning it in the dirt and mixing with some other amateur enduro-dudes on the few events this bike can do. It most definitely is too big and
    cumbersome for ordinary Norwegian enduro tracks and is totally out of place on most motocross tracks.
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  3. barrier

    barrier Says who?

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    Living the dream:clap Good luck to you.

    FYI IIRC Stan Watt of www.frontrowgb.com made/aquired a number of replica fairings for the 690RR. May be worth speaking to him.
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  4. F650Dakar_Norway

    F650Dakar_Norway What off-season?

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    A few pics from Bukkerittet 2010 at Grimsbu, Norway:

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  5. wachs

    wachs just passin' through

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  6. F650Dakar_Norway

    F650Dakar_Norway What off-season?

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  7. wachs

    wachs just passin' through

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    Was minding my own business today, doing ranch/yard work when Steve rolled up on the white witch.


    Of course, I dropped the tool I was holding and jumped into my boots for a spin.


    Perfect afternoon.


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    He wanted me to show you the MoJavi that he's packing with tools and such for day rides.

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  8. Inked

    Inked Tattooed Biker

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    Nice looking bike.
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  9. wachs

    wachs just passin' through

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    one more - nice and cool this evening - been hot


    Still a bunch of snow on Mt Bachelor for this time of year.



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  10. bend27

    bend27 by hook or by crook

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    Looks cool in WHITE
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  11. niggles

    niggles Adventurer

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    The Mojavi day pack works great for me it , I use it on three bikes 690RR, 690R and a 300XCW. with tools water bottle, folding saw ,snacks and small fuel bottle for the 300.I have yet to have this pack move give up its contents on very nasty trails. Don,t be fooled by the photos of gravel road we ride the good stuff,Dave is a true adv. rider,someone who seeks adventures ask the people who ride with him,
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  12. F650Dakar_Norway

    F650Dakar_Norway What off-season?

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    Thanks, folks. That Mojave saddlepack looks perfect for day-trips. I'll step up and order one soon. Excellent adv-rider concept that suits my needs perfectly! Easily extends the versatility of this motorcycle since a luggage rack is totally out of the question.

    Question for Steve:
    I got a pair of db-killers from Pal Anders Ullevalseter when he kindly gave me some tips on roadbook nav and ICO-usage.
    They're still too loud for my prefs and look exactly like these on Ludo's ad:
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    Q: My question is what muffler inserts you got and if you had to rejet the carb and/or retune it using a dyno etc.?
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  13. niggles

    niggles Adventurer

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    I made these, they have cone spark arresters on the inside very simple to make start with a small exit pipe 90 degree turn down would make less noise, then drill small holes to get the right balance of noise and flow.I did not re jet ,but I like to run my bikes a bit rich,the rear of the 690RR is a little weak my came with a metal support you can see it in photos.I also went two larger on my rear sprocket as my bike had 100mph+ the lower gearing made it much easier to ride tricky sections of trail.
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  14. F650Dakar_Norway

    F650Dakar_Norway What off-season?

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    Thanks, Steve. I may modify the enclosed EU-homologation muffler ends to allow better airflow or even put in a pair of Acrapovic or Leo Vince db-killers. Either way I want a more ear-friendly exhaust note since I attract too much attention now. I've even had stupid cage-drivers trying to "compete" with me in traffic after I've passed them. And LEO's doing traffic controls gave me an ominous stare a few days ago. Luckily they were already occupied with a bunch of cars and had their hands full already.

    I also noticed the extra metal tail support braces on your bike and will make some for mine. That CF toolbox/tail structure needs some extra support when my Coyote saddlebag arrives next week from the US.
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  15. italrally

    italrally Been here awhile

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    I bought some DB killers from Akrapovic, but you have to make a special small alloy adater too, because they don't fit perfect.( different diameter ) It is not necessary to rejet the carburator but you will loose a little bit of torque and hp. My needle is on position 4 ! The tail of my bike broke because i put all my tools in it, but this is too havy for the carbon and alloy tail !!! Attention !!! When you want to put luggage on it you have to reinforce the tail for shure. Do you have the spare boxes in your bush plate ? You need them, you can put all the tools and little parts in it. I have a front spare tube in a
    small bag over the lights behind the roadbook. And a lot of spare parts all around the bike, like the pro bikes from Despres and Coma. I baught also a better frontbrake disk from motomaster, it is a floater disk !!!
    For a second ICO i made a special adapter / switch so i can use two icos and the original KTM odometer. But this is only necessary when you are roadbook riding. Good tires are the new pirelli scorpion rally tires, the rear tire is very big. Also i have a nice alloy switch for one ico and the roadbook. Now i did 12000km with the bike and it is still the best Offroad Allround bike i ever owned !!!
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  16. niggles

    niggles Adventurer

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    you can get a floating disk off the 690R from KTM also
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  17. italrally

    italrally Been here awhile

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    Yes, but different design and different price :D
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  18. F650Dakar_Norway

    F650Dakar_Norway What off-season?

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    Thanks for the tyre tip.
    Pirelli Scorpion Rally tires are sized 90/90 - 21 M/C 54R, 120/100 - 18 M/C 68R
    and 140/80 - 18 M/C 70R. On mine the original 130/80 Michelin T-63 is on and I've got a good offer on used tires and parts from Pal Anders Ullevalseter and will stick with that until further. He's an extremely pleasant guy to deal with, BTW.

    Mine has a CF tool box only on the left side of the bash plate. Pal Anders warned me that the bolts on this toolbox should be checked often since they tend to work loose and the box would melt against the exhaust pipe.

    Same here. It's my first and best bike of its kind and I'm damn lucky to own it. Needless to say it's not for sale any more no matter the price offered.
    This one's a keeper. I've done 3000km on it now in 3 weeks :) Giantloop Coyote saddlebags are now in customs and will be used in a couple of days. Thanks, Wachs & co.!
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  19. italrally

    italrally Been here awhile

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    May be Pal Anders has a lot of spare parts he wants to sell ?
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  20. F650Dakar_Norway

    F650Dakar_Norway What off-season?

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    According to him the light mask (front fairing) and front tanks are identical on the new 450 Rally bike. That means previous 690 Rally competitors may have the CF front fairing side panels for sale and some other parts not compatible with the new 450.
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