800GS shock bolt design flaw?

Discussion in 'Parallel Universe' started by johngil, Jul 16, 2009.

  1. xboxer

    xboxer Adventurer

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    I have a buddy with an F800GS, trying to help him prepare a little for this bent bolt problem. Been diggin' for 10 pages or so, 80 to go and I'm completely burned out.

    Can't find a pic or a link or ANYTHING about the Indy Unlimited brace. Indy, are you trying to keep these things all for yourself? SHARE bro!

    :D :D
  2. Indy Unlimited

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  3. SDDinNH

    SDDinNH Ridgerunner

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    I'm coming up on a rear shock change this winter on my 658, but I haven't finalized my decision yet. I'm kind of leaning toward a Wilbers. Is the Indy kit a "one size" fits all, or does it have to be ordered for a specific shock?
  4. Indy Unlimited

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    Indy kit is shock specific. Wilbers is covered. Just confirm which shock you plan to buy when you order the kit.
  5. The Griz

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    I'm curious if the 2013 has the same upper shock mount design as the 2012 and earlier models?
  6. Ronin ADV

    Ronin ADV Gear addict

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    I thought you sold your F800 and went with the orange Kool-aid. You cant come here anymore. :lol3
  7. The Griz

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    :D Yes, and I have to say I am thoroughly enjoying the orange Kool-Aid as well! Though from my experience with my 990 R so far, no Kool-Aid has been necessary to convince me...The bike speaks for itself! Suspension, power, lightness, stability, well-thought-out design features, etc...Just curious though. Having owned my F8 for 3 years I am still mentally invested in that bike....and the thing that bothered me most aside from the front fork inadequacies was that stinkin' upper shock mount design. Just wondering if BMW finally addressed it.
  8. DolphinJohn

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    Y'all still talking about this?

    :D


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  9. DolphinJohn

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    True. I haven't been in this section in a while. My stock OEM bolt and shock have held up well, 16,000 miles.

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  10. PatrickM

    PatrickM Been here awhile

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    Looks like the 2013 design is the same as the prior years.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/84763434@N07/8107334256/" title="Untitled by pmrowczynski, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8466/8107334256_b1cb6cc932_c.jpg" width="600" height="800" alt="Untitled"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/84763434@N07/8107330786/" title="Untitled by pmrowczynski, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8196/8107330786_e0240c2a94_c.jpg" width="800" height="600" alt="Untitled"></a>

    And since I don't have a socket or anything large enough for the bushing and stuff to go through - aborting.

    Someone asked previously... Basically pop the seat, remove two of the fairing torx (T25), the 4 bolt heads w/ washers (8mm) and 4 zip ties that are holding the wiring harness down. There's a round doo-hickey that gets removed, as does the connect with the two wires. The other end of the two wire connector is removed with a screw driver pressing a release lever to the outside from the center (directly under the oval portion that connects, allows it to slide towards the front of the bike). Slide the plastic thing towards the rear and attack the large bolt with a T55. At some point it'll slip and the shock will tighten against bolt. Lean some weight against the rear (I was on a center stand) and the bolt will wiggle loose.

    And now back to 100NM... Sigh.
  11. Snowy

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    For those that keep saying they read about it but don't see any proof.

    1 of 3 bent bolts. I have 2 spare bolts in the toolbox, but haven't looked at them since the Indy kits top and bottom. I also have the Ralley Moto brace, drilled out to fit the Indy kit sleeve. I slightly bent a bolt with just the Ralley Moto brace, but it wasn't too bad.

    Primarily mine are due to max loads over crap fire trails. One with the standard shock, from memory, and 2 with the Ohlins.

    The Ohlins definitely bends them easier, because it lacks a anti bottom out circuit. It just blows through the last of the travel and goes "crunch".

    Revalve and 22kg/mm spring helped, but hasn't "cured" it.


    The main problem is, that as soon as it handles going faster, you go faster and then go crunch again.

    I've been staring at the shelf full of Showa MX shocks in my garage and day dreaming. I wonder....
  12. johngil

    johngil Reseda, CA

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    The Elka shock was a big improvement for me.
  13. Gangplank

    Gangplank Advenchaintourer

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    If anyone is interested in ordering an elka shock I'm thinking about it. I can get a group price if a few of us are interested. PM me if you are...
  14. OZZY-GS

    OZZY-GS Been here awhile

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    I got back from a big trip offroad fully loaded and thought it was time to check my shock bolt :eek1
    The bloody thing was bent. (And i was using the Rally Moto shock brace)
    I ordered my Indy kit and proceeded to put it all together. Pressed the original bush out and then inserted the new bearing from Indy. Only problem was the inner race from Indy would not go in the bearings once pressed in but fitted fine before. :huh
    Took the shock to an engineer friend of mine and we measured the hole that the bearing where to be inserted.
    What we found really pissed me off. Instead of being round the hole was out by about .5 of a mm.
    How the hell does this happen? it must have been like this ex factory as when I looked at the old rubber bush the inner race was not in the centre of the rubber.

    Anyway we bored out the shock and re inserted the bearing from indy and everything works great and installed perfectly.(I also bored out the ralle moto brace and installed that with the Indy kit.)
    The hole time this was happening i was send messages to Indy and he was trying to help and to work out what had gone wrong.

    I can highly recommend the Indy fix purely based on the customer service and his faith in his own product.

    Now i just need to go out and try and bend the new bolt :evil
  15. Indy Unlimited

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    I suspect that bending the stock bolt caused the thin walled stock shock upper mount to get out of round. I am willing to bet the 0.5 mm bulge was at the top or bottom. No one has bent a bolt with my Indy kit or damaged a stock or aftermarket shock. Over 500 kits sold worldwide to date.
    For any serious off road riding the stock set up or aftermarket shocks all need beefed up mounts.
  16. Snowy

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    I don't praise lightly...

    ...some of you, the hateful nasty ones, will probably say I just love to hate things. Shame on you.


    But I digress...

    ....Indy's kit works.


    That's it. It works. It does what he says.

    now to some of you that don't mean much, in this fast new consumerism age.

    But if you come from a background where a man's word is his bond, a handshake is a contract, and a friend defends you until death...then it speaks a whole different language.


    It works.


    'nuff said.


    Keep up the good work Indy. Respect.
  17. davidpetersen

    davidpetersen BestRest Adventurer

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    OZZY-GS: the bolt that bent... was that the original BMW buttery-soft 10.5 grade bolt, or was it a hardened 12.9 grade bolt?
  18. OZZY-GS

    OZZY-GS Been here awhile

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    It was only the original bolt.
    I suspect that if I had the 12.9 grade bolt that may have hung in there longer.
  19. Snowy

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    The 12.9 does hang in there longer.

    But not much longer, as it turns out.
  20. PatrickM

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    ZOMG getting that bushing out of the stock shock is turning into an endeavor. I've tried three different times and all with the same results, nothing.

    I picked up a 30mm socket and tried a 13/16 but basically bent two stacked washers and with a 3/8" bolt, slowly started bending it because of force. I tried some oil/lube to see if that would help and came back later w/ the same results. Someone stated "a ton of force" and I'm believing them.

    What is the trick? The best answer I heard is to take the entire thing out to someone with a press.

    1. Pay someone to pop/press it out
    2. Drill out the rubber
    3. Hack saw the center

    I would prefer doing something I couldn't back out of, but it most certainly looks like taking the destructive route is it.