800GS vs KLR

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  1. Trail Boss

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    Dry weight is a mysterious number that manufacturers seem to use to hide the actual weight of the bike in a ready to ride state.

    I've tabulated the wet weights of the different adventure/dual sport from various sources (mostly Motorcycle Consumer News). Wet weight is the actual weight of the bike when you are out riding it (with only a small variance based on the amount of gasoline in your tank).

    '08 KLR - 428 lbs (about 13 lbs heavier than pre-08 KLRs)
    F800GS - 462 lbs

    A real world difference of just 34 lbs.

    For comparison purposes

    Wee-Strom - 472 lbs
    2000 F650GS - 430 lbs
    2008 R1200GS - 536 lbs
    DR650 - 368 lbs.
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  2. Bucko

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    Those numbers are all marketing hype, A KLR 650 with all its parts has never weighed 337 pounds (even the original '87 that you didn't include:evil ). I'll have to check some magazine back issues for real weights, but one that comes to mind is 521 pounds for a GS8 with the BMW luggage, tank bag and probably a skid pan. I really doubt the accessories weigh 66 pounds.

    Still, the difference between the bikes seems like 50 pounds or so. Of course you feel it offroad, but you also feel the BMW's better suspension, stronger frame and general overall stability advantage. Pick whichever one you like, I think the GS8 proved its mettle at the GS Trophy event in Tunisia and will continue to do so as more owners get out in the boonies with them.

    Where do you get this info?:huh Going off road can mean a short dirt loop or a long exploratory putt into the backcountry loaded down with camping gear and a full tank of gas so you can get back out again. Let's stick to facts.
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  3. Django Loco

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    According to KLR.net, a source I trust, the 2008 KLR650 dry weight is listed at 386 lbs. (175.4 kgs.)

    Kawasaki list the dry weight on an '06 KLR650 at 337 lbs.
    That is a 49 lbs. difference.

    In any case, as I've said .... MOST KLR's on the road today are pre '08, so you have to go with the lower weight specs of the earlier KLR.
    More interesting is the similar weights of the F800GS and Wee Strom .... which in my very recent experience off road riding both .... put these two bikes very close. Save price of course. :eek1
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  4. Django Loco

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    OEM listed dry weights can be off and usually are. But we all know this .... it's common knowledge. I'm well aware of KLR history. A friend had an '84 KLR600. In fact, over the years kawi made some small changes to the bike, so maybe the weights changed slightly?
    No importa. I quoted 337 lbs. from a spec sheet from a 2006 KLR.


    Spot on. No question GS will outshine a stock KLR. But a modded one is a lot better ... but the frame and rear subframe can still break! Of course, BMW frames never break! :lol3

    I'm sure owners are gonna love this bike.
    But from my reading of the Tunisia thread I'd say the bike had it's problems in those conditions. That deep sand slowed down most of the riders there and those bent wheels were dramatic evidence that the bikes were beaten hard. That said, would a KLR have done any better? Hmmm, probably not that much better but I bet a busted KLR wheel would be cheaper than the F800 one! :eek1

    Facts? Hey Bucko (I like that!), these are my facts. Most of the KLR guys I know don't fill the tank on every ride. FACT (my fact :D )

    In Baja or somewhere super remote, obviously you would fill up. Duh! But in the Sierra or parts of the Mojave, where I've ridden for many decades, we usually do shorter loops of about 100 miles between gas stops, or pick a route that goes near gas at some point. We do this mostly to allow our more dirt oriented riders with small tanks to fill up. The KLR's are like Super tankers, supplying gas to others.
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  5. Trail Boss

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    I have no doubt that KLR.net is quoting the official "dry" weight of the KLR.

    As I wrote earlier, the dry weight is not reflective of the actual weight of the motorcycle in a ready-to-ride state (fuel, oil, coolant, battery, etc). So, for me and anyone who wants to know or compare motorcycle weights, the dry weight is a meaningless number since it does not tell me the actual weight of the bike. I'll stick with the actual weight of the bike, measured on a scale, in a ready-to-ride state (aka, wet weight).
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    And so is the fact that the 337 dry weight on the pre-08 KLR's is way too low. Its WELL documented that the pre-08 KLR is over 400
    pounds wet, and ~40-45 pounds less than that dry. Its WELL documented that the 08 KLR is only 15 pounds or so heaver than the pre-08.

    Please don't keep passing on wrong information.
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  7. Django Loco

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    Well, I've not weighed a KLR, since my '98 KLR. I had no idea the discrepancy was so great. Did someone weigh the bikes? Do you have a link? Now I know why I struggled in that sand in Baja:rofl I spent 6 weeks on the KLR going all over Baja and Mainland Mex back in '98. Couldn't wait to give it back! But a tricked out one is quite impressive and nothing like the stocker I rode.
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  8. Trail Boss

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    The manufacturers appear to have no integrity when it comes to reporting the actual weight of the bikes they produce, which is why there is such a large discrepancy between the "dry" weight they report and the actual weight (what the magazines call "wet weight") of the motorycle.

    Yes. Several motorcycle magazines actually weigh their test bikes on a scale in a ready-to-ride condition (gas, oil, coolant, battery, etc.) and report those weights.

    My information is drawn mostly from Motorcycle Consumer News. They publish a listing of specs each year (horsepower, wet weight, top speed, 0-60 mph, etc.) of all the motorcycles they have tested.
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  9. motoman250f

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    Its pretty well documented the 08 is at about 386 and the pre 08 is 13 - 15 lbs less which is 371-373. Apples to apples would be real wet weight minus gas or the same amount of gas in each.
    from richards numbers there are 34 lbs between the wet weight of an 08 klr and a bmw 800 gs. This makes about 47 between the pre 08 klr and the 800 gs. now figure there is almost 2 gallons more gas in the klr. At 6.25 lbs X 1.9 gallons thats 11.9 lbs (based on 6.1 gallons klr and 4.2 bmw) that is very close to 60 lbs with the same gas in both bikes or that same 60 lbs wet with no gas. Let me know if any of these assumptions are off.
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  10. bkowal

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    My 2000 KLR weighed 395lbs with a full tank of gas. I would avoid serious off-road riding on a full tank, it made a HUGE difference as to how the bike handled. Even with half a tank, my buddies where stopping for fuel before I would. The KLR was very fuel efficient off-road since the engine just chugs along without needing to rev it. BTW, I think 400lbs is the upper limit of any bike your would want to take off-road.

    My 2004 DRZ 400E weighs in at 295lbs with a full tank. For serious trail-riding, I would also run half a tank if it was practical since I could also feel the extra 5L of fuel.

    It is easy to see why the DRZ works better off-road.
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    As long as were comparing apples to apples here, let's remember that the intent of the BMW GS (and arguably the KLR) is to allow for a long ride on the slab before heading off onto the dirt. Gelände/Straße, right? Nobody other than the Marquis de Sade would advocate that on a DRZ. And the KLR is no picnic on the Interstate either. You may take more chances off pavement on a KLR, because it would be cheaper to repair. But the limitation would be the size of your wallet, not the capability of the machine.

    David
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  12. Kyler

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    well said!
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    +1

    Exactly why I bought the GS. Still have the DR-Z for gnarlier stuff and days in the dirt, but the KLR had to go :cry
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  14. DELTA DOG

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    What's the ground clearance for the 800? I had a KLR and really liked it. But the ground clearance was lacking (especially for such a tall bike). Ended up selling the KLR for the Wee-strom and loved that bike (on the street). But I missed the off-road capabilities of the KLR. I think maybe the 800 is the bike for me.
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    I received the latest issue of Motorcycle Consumer News today and it has a full test of the F800GS.

    Quoting from the article:

    "As this was also our first occasion to weigh the new machine, we were eager to see its actual difference versus the larger R1200GS...While BMW quotes 455 lbs. wet for the base machine, our scales noted 490.5 lbs wet, wearing the options of ABS (said to be on the order of 5 lbs), saddlebag mounts and a centerstand. For comparison, the R1200GS tested in Sep 2008 was similarly optioned and weighed 536 lbs."

    So, here's the updated wet weight:

    2008 KLR650 = 428 lbs
    2009 F800GS = 490.5 lbs

    A real world difference of 62.5 lbs. Adding a centerstand and saddlebag mounts to a KLR would probably shrink the difference about 10lbs.
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  16. GSA GIRL

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    I rode my 2008 KLR 650 solo, 381 miles home (8 hrs.) from a camping trip at the Salton Sea (So. Cal). I had about 125# of camping gear loaded down and I had 40-60 mph gusting cross winds. I ran 60-75 mph GPS all the way. The bike can use more power no doubt, but with Rick's Moab Suspension it handled and rode great. I had no problems whatsoever and plan to do it again next year. You need new ridding buddies if pounding pavement on a KLR 650 is a feat of Iron Man Proportions. Hell, I'm a 55 year old GIRL!
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    Hey, it's EASIER if you're a girl. You don't have those things down there. :lol3

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    GSA GIRL Been here awhile

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    Be Nice Now!
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    Folks do all kinds of epic rides on bikes big and small. After owning KLRs for many, many years I wanted something I could pass quickly with, and ride longer distances faster in more comfort. The GS is it. A KL-something with Kawi's 650 twin could have been it, but they won't build it.

    That explains 125# of camping equipment :D
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  20. GSA GIRL

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    Yep, It Sure Does!
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