950 Supermoto Chronicles

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by wpbarlow, Jul 20, 2006.

  1. omnivore

    omnivore SuperSportTourer

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    Great. I want 2" of drop!!
    I am 5'4" with a 29" inseam.
    I used ratchet straps to figure out what I would like for seat height....and at 2" lower than stock I find the bike much more manageable. The height it is now, while right foot is tippy toe, I can't even get near the sidestand to put it up. I have to hop up on the bike, and while it's balanced straight up, quickly drop my left leg and sweep the sidestand up, and hurry to get a foot down before I tip over. Here is a pic to demonstrate just how short I am on it:
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    I think once I get it as low as I am willing to go, I will have to chop off the pegs and weld them on higher up. I already drag the pegs when riding in the mountains now, even on Bridgestone 023's.

    When I forst got the bike it was alot more of an issue. Now I am just used to it the way it is. I am certain it is amusing for others to watch though,LOL. I do however, find two uppping dreadful. Not while riding, it's just the 30 seconds while the passenger gets on. I have such little footing that any "off" movements the passenger makes while getting on, off, or even at a stoplight could have me dropping the bike. Funny thing is that hasn't happened yet, but I don't ride 2 up much on it either.
    I would like to start doing more bad pavement, gravel, backroads, and abandoned places int he future, and I think better footing would help. If I sacrfice a little cornering prowess in doing so, oh well, that's what my racebikes are for.
  2. samppa2005

    samppa2005 Adventurer

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    Have you thought about getting your seat lowered? Or did you already do that? If i recall correctly at least on the 990 versions for example the KTM gel seat is 25mm lower then the stock. If you are already used to the height, lowering the seat might just do the trick without compromising the handling. If you haven't done that i'd look into that first. There are some special lowered seats available (seatconsepts at least ?).
  3. omnivore

    omnivore SuperSportTourer

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    Problem is that the stock seat pan is so high that you can't take much foam out. I think I will get a Corbin, which is supposed to be 3/4" lower than stock, but everyone else who does seats tells me they can't do much with the stock seat and keep it comfy. I don't do short rides. Ever. Minimum, one full day....prefer a weekend to a week. Bike's gotta be comfy.
    The SMT seat will not fit onto an SM. Different tank, spoilers, tail etc. I wish it would. I test rode the SMT at Indy and loved the seat....didn't like the FI though, not nearly as smooth as the 950's carbs.
  4. wpbarlow

    wpbarlow Long timer

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    I'm not 100% positive, but I think the SMT is based on the SE chassis. Not sure how that might change things.
  5. 6USMC6

    6USMC6 R.I.P. Party Boss

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    Omnivore -
    First, Vario makes a footrest "system" that allows 360 degree adjustment and the drop can be controlled with 23mm, 30mm or 50mm adapters.

    Second, The first aftermarket seat I bought for my SMR was a Corbin. It wasn't much more comfortable than the stock seat. And, while it was 1/2" or so lower, it was also wider and there was absolutely no difference in reach. I'm 5'5" and have a 29" inseam.

    Third: I lowered my 950 Adventure 2" front and back and the only handling problem I saw was dragging the foot pegs. If anything, it handled better and the suspension had the same travel as my SMR. Which by the way, has the same suspension as the SM. The only KTM Supermoto with shorter legs is the SMT.

    I spoke to half a dozen suspension shops and they all said that if both ends were lowered at the same time there would be no loss in handling other than that the bike would turn a little quicker. I only had the Adv up to 105 and it was rock solid.
  6. samppa2005

    samppa2005 Adventurer

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    Yes i wasn't exact. I was talking about the 990 SMR. The 950 SMR has the longer suspension travel as well. Lowering both ends shouldn't change handling much if it's done correctly.

    My thought was that for the 990 sm there used to be a gel seat available that was the same as the stock only with gel instead of foam making it (if i recall 25mm lower). The aftermarket seats are usually made very comfortable and therefore wider as well. The stock with gel inside would be narrow, at least as comfortable as the stock and a bit lower. I'm sure someone has tried that and can say something about it.

    Honestly i'm dreaming of longer suspension travel and a higher bike so i shouldn't say anything about lowering a bike :D I'll shut about that now.
  7. 6USMC6

    6USMC6 R.I.P. Party Boss

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    I should have added to the seat comments:

    When I had my SMR I tried Corbin - 1/2" lower but wider; Renazco - 1/2" lower but nearly as uncomfortable as the stock seat; Bill Meyer - 1/2" lower but wider and outstanding comfort. I've ridden 500 miles in a day and only got off the bike to pee.

    I have a Russell on my Beemer right now and the Bill Meyer was every bit as comfortable as the Russell.
  8. KHVol

    KHVol Long timer

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    I think Seat Concepts will make you a lower seat but with firmer foam. My firm foam SC seat is very comfortable. Corbin seats are hit or miss, the one on my 650L is an all day rider, the one on my Buell I almost gave away, $100. Like 6USMC6 says, they lower it and then make the seat top square and wide and you feel even further from the ground.
  9. BuckMoto

    BuckMoto Adventure Napping

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    Thanks for posting the pic and modification tips. I'm going to order an SE splash guard tomorrow! The plow front shape of the SW-Motech skidplate looks all wrong for dirt -an instant endo waiting to happen.
  10. snowhawk jockey

    snowhawk jockey Slack Jaw Gaper

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    I am happy to see the mudflap and instructions!
    Thanks muchly!!

    That skating feeling on dirt roads from the MT60's on my 450SMR was what told me there was potential to develop a 950SM into a slider!!


    Omnivore, that lower kit looks to be the shizz, and CHEAP! To include dampening rod$, fork spring$ and a shock $pring for $379?? A dampening rod is $780+, for one... I will be researching that. If it is compatible with our suspension, I am getting one! I don't want it for the ground access, rather for the handling change it might offer for lateral riding.:clap

    edit to add:
    Don't forget to order fork seals if you get the lowering kit!
  11. dirtydeeds

    dirtydeeds I'm alive.

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    I just started looking at these cool cat bikes. The garage is full right now though. As soon as the DR and one of the trikes gets sold, I'll be contributing to the economy and taking away an SMT from some poor fellow.

    Is there a good source for SMT accessories?

    I've been looking at the S Dukes as well. I'm not to keen on the riding position though.

    Any words of wisdom regarding the SMTs? (Now is your time to brag...)
  12. snowhawk jockey

    snowhawk jockey Slack Jaw Gaper

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    Look forward to seeing pics of your new baby!

    Finding the next bike is as much an adventure, as actually buying one! Congrats on selecting an appropriately pedigreed "orange steed".
    The SMT guys have their own thread and they may have better experience to answer your questions.

    http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=553603&highlight=smt990

    Don't feel chased away, we got all types here, just a recommendation to get you a more accurate review!:thumb Besides, they need all the help they can get... sheesh, no posts since July 26th? Must just be a bunch of riders checking in and not too keen to gossip!:lol3
  13. BuckMoto

    BuckMoto Adventure Napping

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    If you are interested in the KTM accessories, ktmparts.com is a great place. You get a 10% discount on every order by registering at the site. If you sign up for their emails, you periodically get additional discounts on top of that. They have the parts and accessory catalogs available online too. I just got 20% off on my last order.
  14. dirtydeeds

    dirtydeeds I'm alive.

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    Thanks, just found that myself. Went through every page. (Only 22 or so.) Until it ended, as you pointed out, on July 26.

    The local dealer has one. Been trying to deal with them. I have a poor sales guy working with me though. He wont let a 2010 go for under 11000, plus tax.

    I found another one with better luggage, anyhow. :deal
  15. wpbarlow

    wpbarlow Long timer

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    So he doesn't want to do the deed, done dirt cheap?

    :lol3
  16. Garry

    Garry Old and In The Way

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    After 15 sets of tires, I turned over 50K miles on my 2007 950 SMR today. I remember a reply from Walter back in 2007 when I was debating whether to buy the bike due to the various issues the 2006s were having (fuel pump, water pump, starter torque limiter, etc) and he stated that it's a kick-ass, imperfect motorcycle. The issues are well-known and so are the fixes. So true. So much fun. And such a perfect fit for the riding I like to do... :freaky

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  17. EastSideSM

    EastSideSM Isn't that dangerous?

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    AWESOME GARRY!!!!!! That is very cool. I'm 10,000 miles behind you.
  18. cnw126

    cnw126 Been here awhile

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    Congratulations!!!

    Here is to another 50k.

    :pimp
  19. duroturk

    duroturk Been here awhile

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    Congrats for your 50k Garry!
  20. wpbarlow

    wpbarlow Long timer

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    Good on ya Garry :clap. You've been a very valued resource to many of us as you've piled on the miles.