990 Adventure suspension settings for 100kg (220lb) rider

Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by Northyork, Feb 4, 2013.

  1. crofrog

    crofrog Long timer

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    The stock rebound valving is inadequate for stiffer springs for the most part.

    Superplush and racetech both have springs for the 950 as well as others.
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  2. Marko888

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    Northyork,


    Start with Standard settings, and ride the bike solo, with no luggage, and get used to your new bike.
    Leave the suspension alone until at least until you get past the first 1000km service.
    If you are over 90kg, step up to those settings, and ride it solo for another 1000km.
    After that, change it to Sport settings, and put another 1000km on it.
    By the time you get to 3000km, and provided you rode basically the same roads on each setup, you should have an idea of how the different settings change the feel of the bike, and what you prefer.

    Keep in mind, there is no perfect setting for all around use. For example:
    SPORT will feel best going fast on smooth roads, but awful when slowly putting along a bumpy two track gravel road.
    COMFORT on the other hand, will probably feel good on that two track (until you hit a pot hole and bottom the forks) but will feel wallowy and vague when going fast on that smooth pavement.

    Here is some good guidance. Although this article is centred on a sport bike, the principles are the same.
    http://www.visordown.com/workshop/motorcycle-suspension-tuning-setup/2487.html

    There is no magic settings between solo and fully loaded, that will make the bike feel the same. The bike will feel differemt loaded from light, regardless of suspension setup.

    Generally speaking, with my own 950, which has the forks reworked from standard as I've described above, but a stock rear shock, going from solo riding, to two up travelling, I will increase damping by about 2-4 clicks all around to better stabilize the extra weight going up and down. I may also add shock preload to the rear spring to keep rear ride height similar.

    cheers
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  3. Marko888

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    Canadians can get springs from Riders Edge Suspension in Vernon BC.

    +1 "The stock rebound valving is inadequate for stiffer springs for the most part." Agreed
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  4. Northyork

    Northyork Been here awhile

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    Thanks for the advice
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  5. Northyork

    Northyork Been here awhile

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    Alon, Thank you. I will PM you.
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  6. orange spy

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    80% of the improvement can easily be obtained without spending a lot of money. Stiffer springs in front and a bit thicker fork oil.

    20% will come from taking it apart and re-shimming / re-valving it which is the expensive part. the added value of which, is not that recognizable to common riders.

    I agree with Marko however. you need to get an idea of how the hole thing works first.

    :wave
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  7. FlyingDutchman

    FlyingDutchman Dirt Biker

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    Great, thanks.

    I'll find out after I've sprung it to my needs. I've been around bikes and bike shops to know that doing more than one mod at a time will limit your actual knowledge about the effect of the modification.
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  8. James Siddall

    James Siddall suspension guy

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    More like 50% and 50% in my humble opinion. Maybe 60/40

    Cheers

    James
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  9. FakeName

    FakeName Wile E Coyote SuperGenius

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    What- you're some sort of expert or something? :D
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  10. DuctTape

    DuctTape Been here awhile

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    :rofl If that's the same James Siddall that makes his living running Superplush SUSPENSIONS then I'd say YES!!!!!! LOL.
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  11. syzygy9

    syzygy9 Been here awhile

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    I think you may have missed the irony in the previous post.
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  12. alongat

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    Hey NorthYork, you out riding the piss out of your bike yet? I decided to man-up for a brand new 990R arriving tomorrow. It's supposed to be decent weather later this week and I'll want to get a few KMs on the new bike. Let me know if you're up for a ride sometime and I'll get my other ADV friends to come out as well.
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  13. Black Hills

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    just send it to Superplush and have it done right, its not much money and the results are fantastic!! anything else is just a bandaid..
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  14. tacosupreme

    tacosupreme Been here awhile

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    Yes, but those guys load the rear suspension far more than most. A novice rider will stop and look over an obstacle before riding over it. An intermediate rider will scrub off speed and navigate the obstacle in a controlled manner. An expert rider like Coma or Depres will hurtle into the void without blipping the throttle. All three riding styles require different valving, spring rate, and sag. Most offroad race bikes sit a little stinkbug...
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  15. Bowser

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    Reading this thread its been said that the 950 Super Enduro has front fork springs with a much higher spring rate, anyone know if these are a direct swap with the springs in the 990 adventure forks?
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  16. dog'meat

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    Anyone can offer a plausible thesis about WTF these bikes come out with this shitty suspension in the first place.?:huh
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  17. Bowser

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    The anwser is, it is not shitty. Its designed to try and cover a range of uses and be ok for all, its made by white power and they are a pretty good manufacturer of suspension.
    I bought my bike and just rode it and still do, yep I am a fat fecker and could probably do with slightly stiffer front springs but they are ok for the use I put the bike to, but to be honest they are really pretty good.
    Now my use is mostly good tarmac roads, loaded up with luggage, I am sure that if I was to do a lot of heavy off road, I might need to change somthing but they were not designed for that. The suspension is more than up to the job and I am not easy on it.
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  18. Usta-b-fast

    Usta-b-fast usta-b-fast

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    Before new springs are ordered, has anyone worked with fork oil level and air assist for the forks? I've tried all the suggested KTM settings and find the front end to bug squat horribly on or off road. Too much dampening would only make it harsh.:ear
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  19. crofrog

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    I've raised the oil level substantially. It helped but springs are still a requirement. There is just not enough spring to hold the front of the bike up.
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  20. rossguzzi

    rossguzzi 990 Adv.

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    I would love to know how hard it would be to upgrade my 06 Adv forks with Superplush springs and valve stacks by myself. Being in the land down under it would be a lot more cost effective if I could just buy their parts and either install myself or get a local shop to install.
    Is there a special skill to install the valve stack or is it kind of preassembled by Superplush.
    I am fairly mech minded, do my own valves/water pump etc. Just have never torn the forks down yet.
    I know there are vids on changing out the oil, but not changing stacks.
    CHeers.
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