A different kind of Versys

Discussion in 'Some Assembly Required' started by tonymorr, Mar 9, 2008.

  1. tonymorr

    tonymorr Malta,NY(Saratoga Spring)

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    Ahh, that's where we were disconnecting. I was thinking the XRR chassis with the Ninja motor! That's what the "shoehorn" comment was all about. Crazy I know.
  2. MTrider16

    MTrider16 Ridin' in MT

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    I was going the right direction with the first post. :lol3 I figured the ninja motor would be heavier than the XR motor with all the extra control goodies and no place to hang the crap. Thus the extra weight of the ninja motor and parts would offset the power gains. And the XR still doesn't have a rear subframe to hang your paniers on.
  3. tonymorr

    tonymorr Malta,NY(Saratoga Spring)

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    Offset the power gains but eliminate kick only and 1000 mile oil change interval. That's a win/win in my book.

    I wasn't aware of the subframe issue. Nobody has come up with a stronger one? BTW, thanks for your input. Another reason I love ADV :clap
  4. jdrocks

    jdrocks Gravel Runner

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    beedub-the versys trees are 50mm top and 52mm bottom. other forks may work.

    the 650r twin weighs about 140#. not sure how that compares with the 650 honda thumper. there's the recent photos of the 650 twin motor in the xr600 frame-ebay listing.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...0460186783&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK:MEWAX:IT

    he modified a few things to get it in there and it also looks like the engine is angled forward to clear at the top.
  5. tonymorr

    tonymorr Malta,NY(Saratoga Spring)

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    That thing is cool and definately helpful to study but from what I hear the 2000 and newer XR/R is light years ahead of that vintage XR.
  6. jdrocks

    jdrocks Gravel Runner

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    tony, you already know about that KTM being built with the 650 twin. that looks promising.

    i'm leaning toward a ninja in rally trim. just got a new (to me) 07 with 500 miles to tear into. man, these things can be found really cheap. with the weight of the engine as a given, it is really hard to do much better than you did at around 400#. the streetbike crowd has trouble getting this bike below 375 with carbon fiber parts. usd forks add weight, as does more fuel capacity, etc. mine will end up over 400, hopefully not too piggy.
  7. BeeDub

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    Thanks for the measurements JD. That might work with the DRZ forks with some sort of spacers, but I'll have to look into it more. I'm guessing they need to be the same diameter for those forks.

    By the way, I was reading that KTM shoehorn thread with interest as well. I meant to post this link here for you guys as well. All kinds of downloads including the service and parts manuals for the 650r, free, here.

    Tony, nice XRR!
  8. jdrocks

    jdrocks Gravel Runner

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    i'm sure you saw the photo of the versys with the husky fork assembly and spoke wheels. if they can fit the versys, they'll fit the 650r also.
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    MTrider16 Ridin' in MT

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    Yes, people have made them, but then you have to redo the suspension for the weight and fuel tanks you'll hang on it. The KLR is an easier route if you need to do all that.

    If you want a desert capable dirt bike that you want to dual purpose and travel lightweight, the XR works good. But if you want heavy touring rig, it is too lightweight and the motor is race breed. The XR is cool bike and a blast to ride though. YMMV and IMHO

    David
  10. BeeDub

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    Are you referring to the green one with the yellow front fender from OZ? Yes, I have seen that! :thumb

    So, he just took the triple off of a husky, and they fit? Do you know which model?
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    jdrocks Gravel Runner

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    i don't know what the guy did to fit those husky forks. i meant that if he fit them on a versys that they would also work on the 650R. the versys and 650r use the same frame, stem, races, bearings, etc.
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    Okay, gotcha. I guess I'll just look into it more down the road when I can either afford two projects, or finish the one I have...:lol3
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    Zapp22 ZAPP - Tejas

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    i read your post - did you mean to say that you are keeping the stock frontend? why?
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    Zapp22 ZAPP - Tejas

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    you might want to take measurements on a DR vs. XRR. I had both simultaneously [sold the converted XRR and kept two drs] and it looks to me like the DR may have a little more room there for possible conversion to parallel twin. Or give me the dimensions necessary and I'll take some metrics in the garage.
    Is the 650 kawa really larger than the 500?
  16. jdrocks

    jdrocks Gravel Runner

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    i'm removing the 650R suspension and replacing it with the versys suspension. the versys has the bigger shock, beefier USD forks, and stronger trees. this suspension works for what i want to do with the bike.

    i have a guy that's bugging me to buy the 650r forks, and if i sell them that would put the starting point under $1500, but i might keep them. haven't decided yet.
  17. tonymorr

    tonymorr Malta,NY(Saratoga Spring)

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    After riding the bike for awhile (and having a blast) I have figured out some things that are lacking. Here's my list of things I want to improve.....

    1) Seat to peg distance. Get the pegs further forward for stand up riding.
    2) Better suspension front and rear.
    3) Engine protection.
    4) I have Stormcase's, gotta get them on there.

    As soon as the riding season is trully over I'm going to bring the bike in, strip it down and take a good long look at it. I was thinking of putting the engine in a different frame but looking at it more it's hard to believe I could save much weight. The Ninja frame is steel and maybe heavy, but it's minimal because it uses the engine as a stressed member. I've studied some bikes lately that use the engine as a stressed member (like the Ninja) and noticed that they use the bottom of the engine for mounting things (such as skid plates). I think I'm going to machine a new oil pan with bosses for mounting a plate. Doing this will also eliminate the low/delicate oil drain plug.
    Not sure yet if I will move the exhaust. The reasons that Kawasaki put the exhaust down undernieth are valid ones. Low CofG. It's a very solid muffler that seems like it could take quite a beating. If it does get damaged they are a dime a dozen online. It's nice and quiet as well. The price to pay for sturdy and quiet however is that it weighs about 13 lbs (if I remember correctly).
  18. jdrocks

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  19. tonymorr

    tonymorr Malta,NY(Saratoga Spring)

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    Hey JD;

    After checking out some of your posts it's clear you spend alot of time off the beaten path. What are your thoughts on spokes vs. cast wheels? For me, tubeless plugable tires are a huge plus.
  20. jdrocks

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    i was on gravel roads, although some were in very rough shape, and not single track or terrain of that kind.

    i've had about 100 people tell me that i'm going to break those cast wheels, but for where i'm riding i just don't see it. bend an edge, yes, but that goes with the use. i see more dinged up spoke wheels.

    the other aspect is the muddy sloppy road conditions up north or other places. many times the bike and everything else is covered with a layer of mud. plugging a tubeless in those conditions is one thing, but patching a tube is a whole different deal.

    i thought about setting up some spoke wheels for the ER6 build, but i didn't think i could do it and stay within my budget. then there were all those photos of muddy roads....

    so to answer the question, i'm staying cast. it works best for where that bike is going.