A Few Days Solo to Copper Canyon

Discussion in 'Ride Reports - Day Trippin'' started by kobukan, Oct 26, 2012.

  1. Two Moto Kiwis

    Two Moto Kiwis Homeless Somewhere

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    Great report and great information kobukan, we will be heading there in the next few days :clap

    Thank you for your effort.
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  2. Mudclod

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    Great images man!
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  3. kobukan

    kobukan almost gnarly

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    Awesome journey you guys have going there!

    Enjoy your ride across MEX-16. It's a fantastic road, but there is not much along the way other than mountains - plan accordingly. From Hermosillo the first fuel is in Tecoripa at about 120 km's, then in Yecora about 150 km's beyond Tecoripa, and then in Tomochi about 190 km's beyond Yecora. After that it's only about 105 km's to San Juanito - plenty of fuel there and in Creel.
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  4. Two Moto Kiwis

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    Thanks mate, we have 30 L tanks so good to go there, just looked at the map at 16 and so on, this is exactly where we had planned to go so with your info and pics your timing could not have been better.

    I have one question if I may, not sure if I missed the info as my head is full of new input on Mexico, my understanding is we can't get through to Batopilas?, we will come in from the top at Creel so would be looking to head out through the south if possible or we committed to an in and back out to Creel?.

    Sorry if I missed this part, please let us know would be great.

    Many thanks Andi
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  5. kobukan

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    They're in the process of paving the old main route to Batopilas and it was not passable when I was there. Paving is expected to take another four years to reach Batopilas.

    The best route to Batopilas currently is from Creel to Guachochi, then on through Yoquivo to Batopilas. There is another route to the east, but I have heard it is pretty rough and I haven't heard of many people trying it. One of the locals I spoke with told me there was only one way to Batopilas - through Guachochi and Yoquivo.

    As far as I know you'll have to ride back out to Guachochi from Batopilas. There may be some other route south from Batopilas, but I really don't know as I wasn't planning to head that way - may be not much more than jeep trails.

    Here are some links to posts on the road conditions: Link, Link, Link

    Good luck & safe travels
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  6. Adv Grifter

    Adv Grifter on the road o'dreams

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    Good to see you singing the praises of Mex 16. Sorry you didn't get to see Batopilas. You know ... it's 4000 ft lower than Creel? Usually a 20F temp difference. Well, next time!

    For the Kiwis,
    there are at least two routes to Batopilas coming in from the West off Mex Highway 15. You can find your way from Alamos, a few miles EAST off Mex 15. I don't know it, but have heard it's possible. Folks in Alamos may know more.

    A more common way is via El Fuerte. Take Mex 1 off Mex 15.
    From El Fuerte, you head to Choix. Ask along the way. Lots of info here on ADV on these routes. I did the Choix route ... but followed someone .. so never had to think! :lol3 (nice!) There were a few turns but relatively simple and the locals mostly all know the route to Batopilas. Should be fairly dry now, so a good time to go. In heavy rains the water crossings are challenging. I went in October. Rain picks up by mid/late November or December.

    If you ever go down again ... another interesting option from Creel is to head South towards Higalgo de Parrall. When you intersect Mex 24, go WEST, not EAST.

    There is a NEW road built from the previous end of pavement, which used to be at Guadalupe y Calvo. Most maps will show end of road here.

    But NOW there is a paved road all the way to the coast to near Culiacan.
    I rode this route before it was paved. (2006) It was a bit challenging. We were on BIG bikes. (GS, Vstrom, Tiger)

    It's nearly as remote as the CC area, but more Ranchos and small villages. Lots of Pot growing there too ... so if you're there in the season, don't go snooping. The folks we met along the way were super friendly ... but there has been trouble in that area. Super diverse as you cross several mountain ranges (Sierra Tarahumaru) as you go from 1000 ft. up to 7000 ft and back down several times.

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    I guess a few of stayed at this joint! I only was there one night ... moved over to my buddy Eduardo's new place. Cheaper, nicer:
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  7. kobukan

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    Good info ADV Grifter - thanks!

    I actually have a gps track for the route through Choix to El Fuerte, but its a track I downloaded off the net somewhere and had no way of knowing if it was any good or how rough the route might be. I may try going that way next time I'm headed to Baja - would probably be much more interesting than slabbing across AZ on I-8 to Mexicali. :lol3 Ferry across to La Paz and ride north through Baja.
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  8. Adv Grifter

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    Right on!
    Going via Baja is really much better if you have the extra time. I've gone both ways ... and last time went Baja coming down and going home.
    There are two Ferries in La Paz, one to Mazatlan and the other to Topolobambo. The Topo one puts you within spitting distance of El Fuerte. Many go this way, and guys on GS's and Vstroms have done it, so a dual sport can make it no problem.

    Or ... if you want to ride Mex 16 again, you can simply jump on Mex 15 for a few miles North up to Ciudad Obregon. Just out of town, at Esparanza, turn North East on 117 which leads you to Mex 12. Mex 12 intersects Mex 16 (where you found the Army check points). From there, you know the way ... but as suggested, next time take the dirt cut off over to Creel and save about an hour or so.

    Glad to hear the DR was flawless. Good prep and good maintenance always pay off riding in Mexico. Nothing left to chance! :thumb
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  9. eakins

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    going through Hermosillo always sucked for me. been through alot of mexican cities but for some reason that one was a cluster fuck. maybe it was just my mindset after traveling alot of open road just before getting there.
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  10. Two Moto Kiwis

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    Thanks for your ride report kobukan, we have successfully done that part of the trip, I was lucky enough to get down to Batopilas via Yoquivo from Guachochi, it was great and great weather too.

    Don't think it would be a god road to try in the wet unless on a small bike with new knobblies. :D

    Again thanks for your help, combined with you info and our info I posted that up in the Latin American section to help others.:clap
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  11. kobukan

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    Glad you guys had good weather and were able to make it down to Batopilas. Best of luck on the rest of your journey!
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    Great ride report. Love the pics, and bike! If you don't mind me asking what bags are you using on your DR? Thanks.
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  13. kobukan

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    Thanks nrspence. Those are Wolfman Expedition Dry saddlebags. The Wolfman stuff is top quality and they work well for me. I also use a SealLine dry bag strapped to the seat for additional storage. Wolfman makes some great dry duffles too, but I have several of the SealLine bags from kayaking and find they work pretty well.
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    Thank you for the information!


    Watch your topknot
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  15. MoodyBlues

    MoodyBlues Hey! Watch this.

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    Man, I can't believe how much work they have done on that road to Batopilas since May. Love that place. :clap
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  16. kobukan

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    Just read your RR - great trip you guys had. I'm planning to go back down again sometime soon and spend a week in the Copper Canyon area and visit many of the places you guys went to - can't wait to go back.
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  17. mark883

    mark883 and the mysterians

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    Great report on a quickie trip. Beautiful country.

    You didn't go all the way from Maine to ride three days in Mexico, did you?
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  18. Gunga Galunga

    Gunga Galunga Been here awhile

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    I'm not sure why, but I didn't expect to like your ride as much as I did.
    That was really fun and very well put together. Thanks, that was great!:clap
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  19. kobukan

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    Heck no . . . I've been keeping the DR650 at my brother's house in AZ for the past year. I fly out regularly for 2-3 weeks at a time to explore the great southwest and Mexico. I've had so much fun I decided to bring another bike out. I left Maine last Saturday on an R1100GS and just arrived in AZ today. Can't wait to do some more exploring.
    Well, I'm sure glad I was able to exceed your low expectations. :lol3

    Thanks for the kind words guys - much appreciated.
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