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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by 390beretta, Jan 5, 2014.
You're right. It really doesn't.
Was just feeling a little snarky.
From an ethical point of view the argument of social cost -whether pro or con- is essentially immoral.
It equals the opinion of some surgeons objecting to operate on smokers or obese, because "it is their fault".
It comes down on passing by a victim and not providing assistance.
It doesn't matter what the reasons are, whether valid in a twisted concept, someone passed a being, and refused it its aid. Which is immoral.
You're ALWAYS snarky.
No argument from me there.
Well...no. Not according to YOU. You've excluded this possibility
Now, dont go backpedaling and start to allow other reasons why someone might choose to not wear gear. You made your bed. You stated your case. You cited that it must be peer pressure, which is just a fancy way of saying that these people are not capable of thinking for themselves. Or that they're just foolish.
Frankly, I dont have the time or patience to go back to the beginning of this thread and multi-quote all the cheap shots taken by gear nazis. If you're interested, go back and count the times when the words, ignorant, peer pressure, foolish, stupid, fashion, etc have been used.
Not once has any of the gear nazis acknowledged that someone riding without gear might actually be a completely sane person, who knows the ramifications of his actions, but has decided to live his life OUTSIDE the plastic bubble in which others to choose to live. Not once, that is...until you just did, and only because you didn't like the corner you painted yourself into.
And honestly, the answer was in the second post and has been repeated only a couple of times by others here. Now, this forum being ADVrider, which is notoriously famous for HD bashing members, is filled with folks who proudly shout,"I'm ATTGAT!" and then the peer group chimes in and pats themselves on their backs cuz they are, too. Well....aren't we sooooo much smarter and cooler than those Harley guys.!!!
One could contend that this forum is a huge support group for people who are so afraid of getting a little boo boo that they have to wear lime green or hi viz pink jumpsuits and then rely on their like minded friends to tell them they look cool, not ridiculous.
I do not think anyone is advocating not treating them. If they were, I would agree with you. The "moral obligation" people have an issue with is being forced to pay for others' (what they perceive as) bad decisions.
Again, not taking sides.
I'm new to this thread but did read all the way through. I don't give a rats behind what other people want to wear. Want to fit in? Peer pressure? I don't really care. I believe in free will and personal responsibility. To many people around telling other people how to live or looking down on people for not living like they do.
Good for you man! Ride Safe!
I do see this guy in town every summer who rides a CBR and always wears flip flops, shorts, a t-shirt and sunglasses. I was behind him one day at a stoplight on my KTM Super Duke wearing KTM gear head to toe and thought it would be a good picture showing both ends of the spectrum. To each his own.
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No not at all. That's just your interpretation of what "peer pressure" means, not mine.
I said every single one of us is influenced by our peers to some degree, no matter what our beliefs. I acknowledged I was no different, and I can think for myself and don't believe I'm stupid.
You may belief your a total individual, making all you own independent rational decisions. I also though that way once. But the older I get the more I have come to recognize just how much social, peer, and lets call them subconscious forces shape us. The rational mind may thinks its in total control, but alas its not.
Perhaps best to agree to disagree.
Hah! I do not agree.
Did you ever watch the cartoon characters Spike and Chester as a kid........
Good one Chester!
Pillion of a two-up couple on a Harley at a gas station asked me the classic... "Aren't you hot in all that stuff?" to which I replied, "Aren't you afraid of getting hurt without all this stuff?" she answered "We never fall down".
I looked at that shiny chrome bike and thought that might just actually be reasonably true. Personally, I gear up because I do fall, and will continue to fall, because I push it a bit sometimes on my Dual Sport. They might not; their bike is less capable of pushing it, and doesn't reward when it is pushed (an obvious generalization and stereotype). So at least the "odds" are significantly in their favor.
I have a old 700 Shadow besides my Dual Sport. It's a handling slug made for cruising and it serves it's purpose just fine, by creating smiles on a hot day. I've ridden it several times in shorts T-shirt and sneakers on rural two-lane, so I get it.
I don't "fall down"either.....................
......................But others have knocked me down. Never say never
Deciding to not wear gear is a choice, justifying not wearing gear is denial. Do as you wish, just be honest with yourself and others.
I ain't scared
You should be comfortable with your choices, otherwise you're doing it wrong. It seems fear makes some folks get so focused on gear they forget the basics, or that no amount of gear makes riding "safe".